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Nabutso
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:17 pm 
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Not that being "in-era" had anything to do with this change, but the changes in retail that you're all comparing this to happened in late 2006, something that is well within the "era" nas is simulating.

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I know you arent do 50% less because that isn't the value nas told me. If you're doing 50% less ranged damage, report it as a bug. That should -never, ever, ever- happen.

Unless, of course, you're just misremembering your previous, maximum damage, and are instead using your new, highest, maximum damage, which, as I keep saying, is higher.

I consistently would hit for 118-120 on 60 cap OWNMs with Dia 2 on them and pot au feu. I've done a billion of these, so I am very aware of the damage I do.

When it would walk through me today, I was hitting for 60-65. When near max range, I was hitting for 80-90. Even in optimal range (9.5ish) I was barely hitting for more than I used to.

Report this as an issue. It shouldn't be happening.

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If you want more data, level 55 Ranger hitting too weak mobs for fun in Qufim with a level 50 longbow +1 and scorpion arrows.

At 11.8 yalms I hit for 175-190, at melee range I hit for 125-135.

Seems consistent with what others have reported, but I may hold the unpopular belief that RNG needed to be nerfed that way and not stay the melee-range monster it was.

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Anyone else think this thread is the latest poster child for why a random player who doesn't actually play most content should be given additional information ahead of the rest of the community?


Don't worry, soon this person will be in charge of deeming what is and what is not considered a valuable report through the upcoming ticket system. I'm sure it will go over rather well when it comes to balancing issues reported by the community when one person simply believes a job is OP so the reports of bugs for said job do not go through. :)

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Been waiting since March 3rd 2017 for ODS KSNM to come back so I can stop lending Myupih my Warwolf Belt lol. I'm not kidding.
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Piellar wrote:
If you want more data, level 55 Ranger hitting too weak mobs for fun in Qufim with a level 50 longbow +1 and scorpion arrows.

At 11.8 yalms I hit for 175-190, at melee range I hit for 125-135.

Seems consistent with what others have reported, but I may hold the unpopular belief that RNG needed to be nerfed that way and not stay the melee-range monster it was.



Care to explain how ranger is a melee range monster? It certainly wasn't outdamaging SAM

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Tex wrote:
Epyon wrote:
Anyone else think this thread is the latest poster child for why a random player who doesn't actually play most content should be given additional information ahead of the rest of the community?


Don't worry, soon this person will be in charge of deeming what is and what is not considered a valuable report through the upcoming ticket system. I'm sure it will go over rather well when it comes to balancing issues reported by the community when one person simply believes a job is OP so the reports of bugs for said job do not go through. :)

I do not pressure nas to make any changes to any job. ever.

You know what I did do? I told him every day for 3 months how embarrassing it is to not have auto-hp fixed while darkstar did. And he fixed that, as far as I'm aware, in this maint, completely.

That's the only affect I had, if you even want to make that stretch, on this maint.

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Kazen
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Nabutso wrote:
Tex wrote:
Epyon wrote:
Anyone else think this thread is the latest poster child for why a random player who doesn't actually play most content should be given additional information ahead of the rest of the community?


Don't worry, soon this person will be in charge of deeming what is and what is not considered a valuable report through the upcoming ticket system. I'm sure it will go over rather well when it comes to balancing issues reported by the community when one person simply believes a job is OP so the reports of bugs for said job do not go through. :)

I do not pressure nas to make any changes to any job. ever.

You know what I did do? I told him every day for 3 months how embarrassing it is to not have auto-hp fixed while darkstar did. And he fixed that, as far as I'm aware, in this maint, completely.

That's the only affect I had, if you even want to make that stretch, on this maint.


Your history on game knowledge is sketchy at best. Let's leave it there.

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Nabutso wrote:
Tex wrote:
Epyon wrote:
Anyone else think this thread is the latest poster child for why a random player who doesn't actually play most content should be given additional information ahead of the rest of the community?


Don't worry, soon this person will be in charge of deeming what is and what is not considered a valuable report through the upcoming ticket system. I'm sure it will go over rather well when it comes to balancing issues reported by the community when one person simply believes a job is OP so the reports of bugs for said job do not go through. :)

I do not pressure nas to make any changes to any job. ever.

You know what I did do? I told him every day for 3 months how embarrassing it is to not have auto-hp fixed while darkstar did. And he fixed that, as far as I'm aware, in this maint, completely.

That's the only affect I had, if you even want to make that stretch, on this maint.


Well... and also lied about the pending RNG changes.

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Piellar
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:27 pm 
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cthalupa wrote:
Piellar wrote:
If you want more data, level 55 Ranger hitting too weak mobs for fun in Qufim with a level 50 longbow +1 and scorpion arrows.

At 11.8 yalms I hit for 175-190, at melee range I hit for 125-135.

Seems consistent with what others have reported, but I may hold the unpopular belief that RNG needed to be nerfed that way and not stay the melee-range monster it was.



Care to explain how ranger is a melee range monster? It certainly wasn't outdamaging SAM


Nope but it was outdamaging pretty much everyone else while making additional TP with dagger-scratching to feed faster Sidewinders. Again, I will shed no tear for Rangers even though it's one of my jobs. It is still a very respectable damage dealer... at 11.8 range. For soloing it is most certainly weaker than it was.

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