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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:50 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:34 am 
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My Legs and Ass went numb reading all this while on the shitter. Send help.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:54 am 
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And yes, if you want to get political, it's VERY similar to the laws in the US today - you're exactly like crazy people who want to take away everyone's guns citing that "times have changed"


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:19 am 
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Lmfaoooooooo 17 pages (and somehow counting) of him believing dualboxing is easier/better/more advantageous to be on two PC’s and believes that saying he thinks I’m dumb is meaningful.

You can’t hold one of, no hyperbole, the dumbest/most ignorant beliefs I’ve ever heard of related to FFXI and also get to critique other’s intelligence.


F’s in chat, indeed, rofl

I think Nab made the right point, but the wrong analogy. You are definitely like one of America’s problem today, but it’s more that you’re wildly proud about how ignorant you are about a topic. You think confidence can be substituted for knowledge and understanding, and never really considered you’d just run into equally confident people who actually have any hecking clue what you’re talking about.

You and Ariel should start an LS together called “NothingsFair” and just 2 man party every job to 75. Jesus hecking Christ.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:03 pm 
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Okay so basically what most of you are saying is you like the advantage and if anything was changed, the people who sit on this game all day would throw a another ZNM tantrum and leave, Mkay, let's switch up the 'discussion' then.

Quote this post only if you answer the following questions, please

1. Do you think dual boxing is fair, and is it within the rules of the server?
2. Do you think 10 boxing is fair, and is it within the rules of the server?

If you answered yes to 1 and no to 2, why no to 2? Because it gives you an unfair advantage? If so, dual boxing absolutely gives an unfair advantage as well, but to a lesser degree than 10-boxing :)

Still unfair advantage.

There's people sitting in treasure chest zones on an alt picking a lock an hour while they xp on their main. They would never actually normally sit in that zone all day every day, but they can because it's zero effort and they can still progress. FFXI was designed to make you make choices on what you want to spend your time on, and this takes that away.

And this server is a different game, yes, but that doesn't mean everything is right. How about the low level player trying to make money off those chests, but can't because the low effort chest poppers tank the price of everything inside due to massive supply?

As a high level player, it's nice to dual box and it's efficient and you make a lot more money than you should be able to, but is that selfishness worth it or fair for the new players who have much less opportunities on Nasomi? Put your greed and selfishness aside and have an actual discussion on the matter for a moment


1. Yes,

2. No....

Cause nasomi says so, for the example of the chest popper. I learned a long time ago that farming server gil (selling to npcs, or getting gil from chests/coffers, etc) causes inflation. Farming economy gil (crafting mats, drops, bcnm, etc) stabilizes the economy. So the new players farming chests will see lesser and lesser return on gph from popping chests, than say farming lizard skins or beehive chips over time. The people popping chests will in the longer run, help the new chars a bit, can already almost sell 2 stacks of crystals and buy your level 7-10 gear from vendors. That inflation is a double edged sword, but leaves more in reach, than out of reach for new players anyways, so that point falls a little short. As for the argument to why would db be allowable, a personal example, 1-15-2019 yesterday, was getting ready to do a01 for a couple of ls members, was 4/6 to start with, decided needed to use a 2nd healer for our setup, asked social shell but nope.... Shouted in bastok mines but nope.... Lucky for them I had an alt whm that I could dual box. Now by the argument logic, I should leave that whm parked, just play pld on main, and not be able to get the mission done, by literally everone elses logic "let me log my alt in, I'll dual box if we must".... Keep in mind anyone would much rather fill the spot without dual box, but when it comes to either impede progress or dual box, even you would dual box. Unless.... Eh....

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:30 pm 
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If I'm gonna dual box an NM you bet your ass I'm not gonna be alt tabbing, I'll just pull out my laptop and do it there, and anyone who doesn't is a total moron. Just because you don't think anybody does it the smart way because you don't do it the smart way doesn't mean people aren't doing it the smart way. You're just not smart, Wolf, and you've proven that quite a few times in here and your post history


Dear God, I couldn't even think about the annoyances of having two different PCs, lol. A separate keyboard, separate mouse, separate speakers (if you care about sound on the second character), separate controller if you use that, lol. It's much easier to alt-tab, or even better, have one PC hooked up to two monitors. No one plays this game on two different systems at once. That's insane.

I knew a few people that used to run 6+ accounts at once on retail and even they only used one computer (multiple screens).

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hmmmm this post looks really spicy can't wait for it to go 18+ pages!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:29 pm 
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I enjoy dual boxing, but I am a FFXI noob with minimal time.

I think to make the case that dual boxing is negatively effecting the server then some evidence is in order. Tangible, actual, and applicable proof that nasomi is worse off with it. So far you are only suggesting you feel it is unfair.

It seems like you don't like it because you don't want to bother with it yourself and wish others didn't use it for the obvious benefits. Which isn't a reason to remove something. That is just your personal preference.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:54 pm 
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Well, it looks like most new players as well as the veterans are disagreeing with OP. I think we've revisited the dualboxing rule at this point and it's pretty clear OP is alone or in an extreme minority. Thanks for the suggestions and level headed discussion about potential blights to the progression of the server, but this topic looks to be a closed case. I'm sure you want to keep going until we change our minds and agree, but that doesn't mean the conversation hasn't seen it's conclusion


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