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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:40 pm 
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Tsukkasa wrote:
Every bookie or gambling establishment charges juice. Juice, or vig, in sports betting, is the cut or amount charged by a sportsbook or bookie for taking a bet from a gambler. Sportsbooks use juice to ensure they make money on a bet, regardless of the outcome.

In the end, don't like the rules then don't gamble.

tldr: qq moar


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Bookies are operating a business that they are trying to profit from.

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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:38 pm 
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Starbright wrote:
Tsukkasa wrote:
Every bookie or gambling establishment charges juice. Juice, or vig, in sports betting, is the cut or amount charged by a sportsbook or bookie for taking a bet from a gambler. Sportsbooks use juice to ensure they make money on a bet, regardless of the outcome.

In the end, don't like the rules then don't gamble.

tldr: qq moar


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Bookies are operating a business that they are trying to profit from.


As a whole, yes. I am more referring to the gambling side of things, not the business side. Nas is doing this SB bet as a way for the community to have some fun, while at it he decided to try to recycle some gil. In the end, if you don't like the tax, or juice, don't gamble. No one says anyone has to.

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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:05 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
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RMT should be allowed. Not everyone can #nolife this game. This is a completely American mentality. Most other countries believe that it doesn't matter if you grind in game or IRL - a grind is a grind.

Wanna spend the money you just did 40 hours of work for to make your in game experience more enjoyable? Do it. But all you jabroni's wanna do is call people "filthy casuals" and think that your accolades in the game mean something. Lulz.


And then your game turns into P2W with the haves vs the have nots. They already have that game, it's called FIFA.

P.S. Being able to buy your way to the top is much more "American" than starting from scratch and having to compete with the same rules as everyone else. The irony is amazing.


FIFA? You mean life. The real world.

First off, we don't all compete with the same rules here. Patches, hotfixes, etc have changed many things here, so don't for a minute that new players might not have a harder time than older ones. Just different challenges.

"Buy your way to the top" lulz. First off you could only really buy a Relic, most (not all) of the end game shit is Rare/Ex. Not everyone has the ability to sink 60 hours a week into this game. Wake up at 3AM to camp Faf/Nid/Tiamat/etc. Someone who works 60 hours a week should still be able to enjoy the game how they want. Use a little of the money they grinded IRL to make up for the time they weren't able to play.

And just think, if Nasomi wasn't always spending time on fighting RMT, just think of the other things he could be doing. RMT is going to happen, and its almost unscalable to try to fight it (hence why SE changed most of the sought after drops that weren't Rare/Ex to be Rare/Ex) and you will just spin your wheels doing so. How much content have we lost because he's busy thinking of ways to fight it? Or what about when he banned a bunch of them and all the sudden the server started getting DDoSed? Then he had to sink more money into a protection.

It's like saying if you want to be good at FFXI, you're not allowed to have friends/family/social life. This is 2020 on a 18 year old game. Let's have both.


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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:04 pm 
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Klic wrote:
"Buy your way to the top" lulz. First off you could only really buy a Relic, most (not all) of the end game shit is Rare/Ex. Not everyone has the ability to sink 60 hours a week into this game. Wake up at 3AM to camp Faf/Nid/Tiamat/etc. Someone who works 60 hours a week should still be able to enjoy the game how they want. Use a little of the money they grinded IRL to make up for the time they weren't able to play.


Except you can reach an agreeable amount to buy any Rare/Ex item from some shells on this server. Hell, TS alone will trade away Gaiters and any sea drop not from AV.


Just because patches and hotfixes have happened, doesn't mean we have largely been on different rulesets.

Klic wrote:
And just think, if Nasomi wasn't always spending time on fighting RMT, just think of the other things he could be doing. RMT is going to happen, and its almost unscalable to try to fight it (hence why SE changed most of the sought after drops that weren't Rare/Ex to be Rare/Ex) and you will just spin your wheels doing so. How much content have we lost because he's busy thinking of ways to fight it? Or what about when he banned a bunch of them and all the sudden the server started getting DDoSed? Then he had to sink more money into a protection.


Just think, if people didn't RMT, exploit crafts, dupe, bot, etc. We'd have all the content in the world.


P.S. Still waiting on how not allowing RMT is the "American" view.

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It's like saying if you want to be good at FFXI, you're not allowed to have friends/family/social life. This is 2020 on a 18 year old game. Let's have both.


Guess I should tell my friends and family to gofu.

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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:06 pm 
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All i'm getting from this is Klic buys gil


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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:14 pm 
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Davok wrote:
All i'm getting from this is Klic buys gil


Bet it was a Pole Grip from Gov.

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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:19 pm 
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Can't feel good unless your all +1'd and BiS? Sounds like some deeper issues going on, but then again what do I know about not being +1, BiS, and still capable....

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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:30 pm 
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The_Carrot wrote:
Can't feel good unless your all +1'd and BiS? Sounds like some deeper issues going on, but then again what do I know about not being +1, BiS, and still capable....


BiS is a state of mind, nothing to do with what +1STR changes.

+ no joke, TopShelf is the best thing that can happen to your Nasomi/Work/RL balance.

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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:40 pm 
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Camper wrote:
The_Carrot wrote:
Can't feel good unless your all +1'd and BiS? Sounds like some deeper issues going on, but then again what do I know about not being +1, BiS, and still capable....


BiS is a state of mind, nothing to do with what +1STR changes.

+ no joke, TopShelf is the best thing that can happen to your Nasomi/Work/RL balance.


Stop letting state secrets out!

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 Post subject: Re: Down with Taxes!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:59 pm 
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The_Carrot wrote:
Can't feel good unless your all +1'd and BiS? Sounds like some deeper issues going on, but then again what do I know about not being +1, BiS, and still capable....

now sure how you managed to speak of BiS and somehow mention "deeper issues" in the same breath


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