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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:27 pm 
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Only problem is see and why dont think force Pops will happen is that people will then start to cry about other NMs need to be force popped so they dont have to camp the mob. Force pops has alot of positive and negatives. It really helps multiple endgame shells new and old to have a chance at drops on a consistent basis, which at the moment is a issue for that fact that for multiple months a shell has been keeping ToDs of HNM in a specific timeframe to get minimum to no competition. This would eliminate greed factor as it would spread Abj to all the shells looking to obtain drops. If other events were used to obtain the drops which creates more content for people do on regular basic. The negatives about it and key factor is its a slippy slop if he adds pop items for these NMs. People will then start to complain that they want KA, KV, Tiamat, etc to all be force pops which then causes a bigger issue. I truthfully dont want to see Nasomi cater to casual gameplay because king drops are some best items in the game, but I still think there is some areas of improvement that could be implemented into the claim system as I dont think its 100% random.


I do agree to a point. But in that system, Crier's Gaiters dropped from White Coney, and Speed Belt from KS99 (at a fairly high rate if you haven't tried yet. MUCH better than KA camp if you have seals). And if Coney required king pops, it would force endgame groups to decide how to allocate their items. I suspect some older groups wouldn't end up popping Nidhogg or Aspid. Many newer groups would.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:26 pm 
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I'm the only one that would rather it just be like era, and we see who has the best claim bot if we can't detect and ban them?

Because that's the best idea to me. I guess if you want the mob to randomly select someone, then that's fine... but since there's no reason to believe that's how it currently works, I'd rather just go back to era logic.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:33 am 
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Sapajoee wrote:
Only problem is see and why dont think force Pops will happen is that people will then start to cry about other NMs need to be force popped so they dont have to camp the mob. Force pops has alot of positive and negatives. It really helps multiple endgame shells new and old to have a chance at drops on a consistent basis, which at the moment is a issue for that fact that for multiple months a shell has been keeping ToDs of HNM in a specific timeframe to get minimum to no competition. This would eliminate greed factor as it would spread Abj to all the shells looking to obtain drops. If other events were used to obtain the drops which creates more content for people do on regular basic. The negatives about it and key factor is its a slippy slop if he adds pop items for these NMs. People will then start to complain that they want KA, KV, Tiamat, etc to all be force pops which then causes a bigger issue. I truthfully dont want to see Nasomi cater to casual gameplay because king drops are some best items in the game, but I still think there is some areas of improvement that could be implemented into the claim system as I dont think its 100% random.

We don't necessarily have the same issues with NMs like KA or Tiamat, most of the time people are civil and items like Speed Belt are also obtainable through KS99. Faf/Nid and the other kings are shit-shows far too often, with players intentionally lagging the zone or even crashing it, standing behind Faf/Nid and trying to force a flail with cures, etc. There's precedent there for something to change, anything is better than the bots Nas did nothing about and this auto-claim nonsense we have now.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:43 am 
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If I am remembering correctly, there were a myriad of issues with forced pops in the first year and a half of the server, which led to Nas removing forced pop functionality and bringing us back to the classic timed spawn system with no windows; you actually had to actively camp for 3 hours. They were later modified and re-coded a few times to gradually give us what we have today. Unfortunately, that posted information on why forced pops were removed was lost in early 2016 when the original forums went down.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:50 pm 
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Last week I was at dragon aery with HNM ls. Some people were complaining that i was only there to get claim one of the nights, which was incorrect. I am a lvl 72 RDM and the three days I was at camp I did not get claim once. The first day the member who got claim was right next to me and Fafnir still agroed him. So I would agree it all depends on which way he is facing and who gets lucky. Has nothing to do with level.


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