You can use your ill-gotten gains (and yes, they are ill-gotten because of the effort required, regardless of how much you think you put in, it was less than it should have been) until they are removed. Enjoy the time you have with them. Make use of them.

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Trying to roll back probably years of effective playtime to make you feel better? Seems a tad greedy if you asked me.

With all due respect Nabutso, imo one cannot differentiate ill-gotten. By that logic, might as well remove all +1crafts on the server in the higher echelon. Either it's all or nothing. PW being a hard as hell fight when working as it should be, doesn't really change this. There are numerous ill-gotten items/gil on the server - trying to single out certain ones doesn't solve anything, except for pushing melee dmg back a bit due to hachi removal and screwing people over who spent their gil on it. And most important of all - it further emphasizes that Nas doesn't know how to communicate properly.

Ironic or sad part is my NIN job isn't even high enough to use it yet. Not even close, but I like to look a head. Like for smn I have ying yang robe and evoker's ring and my SMN is level 30. I wish I could enjoy my "ill-gotten gains," that'd be great.

OR maybe I should sell it to some other unsuspecting sucker who hasn't read the posts yet and doesn't know its being removed. Like all the Nana's being sold right now.

The people being penalized by this action are not the people who profited from whatever "ill gotten" stuff you are balancing. Those people sold the items be it a month ago or today and got their money, and get to keep it. I'm left with the moral question of hecking someone else over by selling it to someone who doesn't yet know its going away or eating the loss.

I don't want to dominate the thread or beat a dead horse. Thanks for your opinions on the matter Nabutso, but I think we are going to have to agree neither one of us will change our opinions on this issue.

As much as I think its for the best of the server to completely remove this gear (yes, ALL of it, including ZNM. It was mostly obtained by a job which has been nerfed to the ground and was abused) using the above argument for WHY it should be taken back just doesnt fly. You could apply that logic to just about ANY item that was obtained at one point in the game at an easier rate than intended or later on nerfed. Unless suddenly that is the precedent he's trying to set, then I guess you gotta start somewhere.

Before we start making a riot here, some peeps who do not play retail and/or are new to the game are currently unaware (and confused) of which items are confirmed to be removed. If someone (or luckily, Nas himself) will provide a list of these "rented gear", more people will be prepared on the upcoming removal. That will be grateful for a lot of peeps out there.

As for the BST BA issue, it could be also possible that Beast Affinity gets disabled for now in preparation for its rebalanced code when Part 2 of the calibration gets fixed. Until then...

Pitchforks! Get your Pitchforks over here!

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Even without ToAU there have been occasions that you get screwed by being able to spend gil on something that's out of era or behaves differently only to find out that the item is useless and/or taken away.
For instance there's an NPC in Selbina selling an out of era spell scroll that you can't use. 30k gone. Of course I got pissed.

good point. Now how would you feel if others could use that spell for 2 years and 2 days after you bought yours just that spell is going away?

Now how would you feel if you saved up for two years. Two years while Chatoyant Staff is being used by others, while balance changes are made it to etc. Then you buy your staff. Then Nasomi decides to remove all the iridil and chat staves from game, after you've sold your other staves of course. I mean they are out of era. Just because they are in the game and people are using them buying and selling them etc. So what the day you buy yours, is the day they are getting removed.

Now in both cases the PW and staff thought experiment the farmers of PW, or the crafters have made their profits selling the item to you. They get to keep the gil they made doing this thing which others are now calling broken or exploitable but at the time was totally allowed. You get to lose your item that you worked very hard earning money in ways they are not calling broken or exploitable. Mind you he's going to leave the other out of era stuff in game still, just doing the staves right now. Oh and those people that made all the money selling to you and the other people, they get to keep their money. How do you feel about that? is that strike you as fair? As just unlucky being caught holding the item being deleted?

You've now got to buy your old staves back, from the same guys that profited from selling you the chat staff. That's going to feel even better. putting more money out to buy equipment everyone who had the item that just got deleted now needs. bet that demand in price doesn't raise those prices.

I understand the reasons for wanting to balance stuff. But doing so now penalizes those of us who purchased the items and not those who got them. They get to keep their gil. Nor does it address all the other "ez mode" items generated at the same time, from beak necklaces sold fro 250k (nq) or 1mil (hq) or ceb mantles, khamria bonnets, that neck piece that does regen, every single 5% haste turban that people had prior to today, fowling earring, guarda band, etc, etc.

The stated reason for the removal of items is to return things earned on "ez mode" yet not everything is being returned, and the people with them are not necessarily the people that participated in a thing that was not technically against the rules. Like the chatoyant staff is right now not technically against the rules, not limited, not turned off. even though it is out of era or staff "Ez mode"

What bothers me is what my choices are right now. I can choose to sell the stuff i have that is getting removed, suckering someone else into holding a soon to be deleted item (you see the price of nana in bazzars was like 250k today for at least two sales people trying to get something instead of nothing. Those buyers almost assuredly didn't know the item they have is likely to be removed. Just someone else passing the buck. Or I can hold the item and hope it is not removed because I didn't do anything "Wrong" even if what you are calling "wrong" is getting the item, that was someone else. Those people already profited and get to keep those profits with no penalty at all.

Should i buy an Iridal or Chat staff? Or should I wait for the big man to decide whether to remove them or not ?!? 'Era accurate is a joke'

This just embarrassingly naive and narrow minded. Leveling a craft is less effort than it should have been (apparently), leveling BLM was less effort than it should have been, hundreds of things were killed with BSTs outside of ToAU with significantly less effort than it should have been, Jorm is less effort than it should be right now.

The list is long of things that are less effort than they should be, because of coding shortcomings and limitations. Those might not ever be fixed. Are we to guess at which content is too easy? Is Nas gonna use his famously clear and helpful communication skills to give us a list of things that are too easy, yet still okay content to experience?

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