So youre implying they they pulled all the leeches that don't aggro, stacked them on the OWNM, sleepgad them, stole claim with JAs, and killed the OWNM, by accident?

now ive heard it all

Holding an OWNM by yourself at 10 minutes in, when loot is forfeited at 20 minutes -- it's not a good look no matter how much spin you put on it. Is that within the rules? Who knows; seems to be in a bit of grey area. However, is it good, respectable community behavior? Not really. It sets precedence for others to engage in the same, or worse behavior, as is being shown in this thread.

Bad behavior leads to more bad behavior, and so is the never-ending cycle. Yugi did a bad, for sure, but sometimes it's also good to look at 'why' something is happening in the first place.

As the great Khaleesi once said, the wheel must be broken. But yeah, she died, so idk.

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I'm not exactly Eggsy's best friend, but holding OWNMs until your group is there to kill it, even if you don't do it in the time limit, is a long standing tradition on Nas. Chess did this to RFK back when we did OWNMs plenty of times. It's petty, but as long as it doesn't go on longer than 4 hours, obviously within the rules.

But even if it wasn't, one person breaking the rules doesn't mean it's okay for you to break the rules to get back at them. Had this same convo in the threads around botting - if one person has a claimbot, should everyone run out and get one to counter it?

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Chess+Ahriman did it with myself and Aeroo when we were on the OWNM grind. To act like it's not something regularly done, even if looked down upon, is laughable at best.

Edit: Has all OWNM loot been moved to 20 minutes? We used to regularly lose loot at 15:01.

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How will you ever be able to prove that? So then basically that rule is unenforceable. If we go by your logic of lvl 75s not needing to sleepga monsters, then we can go by the fact that Eggsy's group was in Altepa already fighting another OWNM. But then you'll probably say, ohhh noooo, he doesn't only travel with that group, there might be other people that were coming to kill it. Sure, after 10 mins.

It's just as clear that Eggs was willing to forfeit loot 'while other players are waiting' just to alter the spawn time.

If you want to play lawyer that's fine but both are banable offenses, if one goes, so does the other.
I'm ok with setting that precedent as you, Eggsy and his LS, and Libra should also be.

Yeah, it's not okay no matter the situation. But that's what I mean -- bad behavior leads to more bad behavior, and sometimes it can spiral out of control, and eventually that behavior becomes the new norm.

Personally, if I was Yugi, I would have just waited for Eggsy to have died or pass the 20-minute point as that was appearing to be more and more likely. Why steal-claim an ownm, of all things? So dumb.

Edit: Holding an OWNM *intentionally* past its timer is definitely not appropriate, no matter how petty it is.

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Person A claims NM with 12hr+ spawn time solo. Person B has group waiting but didn't get claim. Person A holds said mob for 3 hours, then his group comes to kill. Person B is up shit's creek without a paddle.

As long as Person A attempts to DoT said NM during this time there is nothing in the rules that can be done. Edit: Second read, they don't even need to do that. Person A just needs to not say "I'm holding this just to troll the fuck out of you."

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I mean, it's perfectly within the rules for him to hold it while his group does another OWNM. It's explicitly allowed in the rules I quoted. He doesn't have to give it up or kill it until the 4 hour mark.


Again, the rules are quite explicit that this is OK. There's no rules lawyering here - these are some of the clearest written rules on the rules page.

As long as he intended to kill it or alter the spawn time, he could hold it for 4 hours. Nothing about the rule says you have to intend to get loot from killing it.

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Aren't BCNMs intended to last 30 minutes? It's not like you can stay in a BCNM indefinitely. So Idk why the same wouldn't apply to an OWNM? Maybe an oversight. Regardless, it's bad behavior to do so.

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Those two bullet points you added are part of a list titled Disruptive Behavior.

I may be having problems with my reading comprehension but to me it seems like those bullet points are the opposite of allowed.

The whole section is prefaced with...
"Harassment and disruptive behavior are not allowed in Nasomi. These actions break the way the game is designed to be played and can result in disciplinary action. The following are examples of inappropriate behavior in Nasomi."

I honestly don't know if I'm taking crazy pills or I'm just dumb. Might be the second