You have a solid argument, but I don't think it has merit here. Retail FFXI had this "problem" in era and still does today. The community prefers specific compositions that allow for the highest efficiency and easiest wins. When you boil twenty-ish jobs down to DD/Healer/Tank and everyone needs to be viable in every situation you very quickly homogenize the class system by reducing it to a role system where you only have 3 choices. This is the exact reason I quit FFXIV to start playing FFXI again here.

I don't mean to have derailed the thread so let me bring it back on topic. People use BLMs because we've tried it and they work most of the time. If people want to do OWNMs (or anything) a different way then they need to try them a different way. The breath attack is survivable, I've done it as a taru blm without resisting, so a tank should have no problem.

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The level 30 ones do a breath attack for 500 damage and a tank is going to have around 550-700hp, depending on race and gear. Most tanks are not going to survive a breath attack and a single melee, and these dragons attack extremely fast. Surviving breath attacks at the lower levels as a tank has nothing to do with skill and just everything to do with luck.

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This thread has become a joke. The reason why OWNMs are up most of the time is because
1) half decent players need nothing from them (and it really doesn't take all that much) and got what they need or made gil and bought the items/scrolls.
2) some people are so lazy they can't even be bothered to engage with OWNM content (or once upon a time they engaged and died in 10 seconds and never touched them ever again).
3) some people suck, don't use food and other consumables, suck at making friends, suck at devising strategies, suck at learning from failed attempts and improving, and/or can't be bothered to level other jobs (even only to lvl 40) in a game where job versatility is and always has been obviously advantageous.
4) like with many other things OWNMs are plagued with misconceptions/unverified beliefs. Misconceptions/unverified beliefs like lvl 40 ownm cant be killed by a balanced party or they are blm onry, that people repeat continuously despite not having actually tried out various alternative strategies themselves. Where is the proof? I believe it could be possible with certain strategies, and I also hesitant to write off straight tanking the 40 ones (who claims this is not doable and where is the proof?). That is right, I am calling upon the burden of proof (pro tip: Chinese whispers don't count as proof).

Nas is aware the bcnm situation is not ideal. Rather than complain for OWNMs to be changed, make friends, devise alternative strategies, and engage with them. Otherwise level blm or rdm, or just farm gil and buy scrolls.

I would definitely log on right away if any of you can actually be bothered to try alternative strategies and job compositions, but my gut feeling is that all of the people complaining fall into category 2, 3, 4 or a combination of them. Again, why can't you guys enjoy the hardcore mode (a characteristic of era ffxi that brought many of us to Nasomi) and try to beat it if blm cheesing is that offensive.

Aight Kazaram go prove everyone wrong i look forward to it.

Their breathe attack is what makes them impossible to straight tank. Have you even tried them yet?

I don't need to prove anything, I was asking the people complaining to prove its impossible. So post details about your numerous attempts with various 6 man set-ups that allowed you/others to conclude it is impossible.

I would like to test out alternative strats as I personally suspect it isn't impossible (but i'd need 4 other competent players with enough job variation). I have not logged in for a while, playing path of exile at the moment, but if people wanted to try I'd log on.



Yeah. I've killed tons of OWNM. I levelled blm and cor however for the sake of efficiency and I only ever split Gil with just one other person when I do OWNM. The only incentive to kill OWNM using more job varied 6-man set-ups, refusing to use blm and actually using a tank and melee jobs is for the challenge.

The breath attack, as I mentioned before, can be quite easily out ranged. There really isn't any good reason for a PLD to just stand there and get beat on at level 40, it's a waste of mp (but even then may be doable with decent +HP gear) . A PLD/WAR should in theory be able to kite and manage to hold hate by spamming flash, voke, sentinel and cure 2/3s with 6 mp/tic refresh. Or attempt straight tank but resort to a temporary kite when you feel it will use a TP move soon. Melee jobs should be able to melee vs gravityd OWNM. RDM/BLM, COR/WAR, BRD/WHM, PLD/WAR, THF/WAR and any other DD/WAR.

Eh, I'm going to call BS on that. I tried some "normie" strats this weekend on one of the 40s, we didn't have a ton of success. We tried Rollanberry with WHM NIN RDM THF SAM COR. Our NIN was having a rough time keeping up shadows because of -ga spells, so we switched to kiting it, but it was REALLY slow damage-wise and time became a concern pretty quickly. We had it Grav'd and melee was still pretty much meaningless because of how glitchy attacks are on moving targets here on Nasomi.

I can't attest to a PLD being a better choice, but I just don't see how you're supposed to melee these and stay within the 30 minute limit. We aborted at about 30%~ because we weren't sure we were going to be able to kill it in under 30 minutes. Had to switch to mages.

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Did a few tries with PLD tank at Uleguerand Range. Single melee hit from the mob dropped significant health from our tank, and he was a Galka wearing all the -damage he could find. WHM and BRD was constantly running out of MP and the 2 BLM couldn't finish it in time. And we definitely need people outside the group to help clear the adds...

change the whm to a brd and double minuet. nin/war was spamming ele wheel with int gear and food? cor was /war for damage and spamming ele cards? if kiting rdm can go /blm and nuke to help with damage, should be using melon juice and using convert twice. Was the thf using xbow with racc sets for damage? SAM using archery? many jobs have access to ranged attacks, war drk thf and sam, use them. Presume cor was doing 3 roll rotation evoker chaos hunter, and brd was refreshing mages? all dd using decent foods too and lvl 40 or below gear? Harden shell needs to be dispelled asap. It's not a walk in the park to kill it within 25 minutes but it should be doable if you did all the above.



whm is gimp healer for OWNM as it doesn't get convert. I don't know what lvl uleg OWNM is. if lvl 40 melon juice spamming is something most people don't do. PLD needs to use tav taco food (adding Gallant roll and brd defence songs might be a worthwhile option) and could probably even get away with /blu (healing breeze is a great hate tool after a stomp and/or you can reduce hp with gear or mob damage at start to seal hate for a bit) as a sub and still hold hate if you have a decent set-up (need evoker roll, ballad, melon juices/refresh spell and maybe some mp consumables). Incorporate some kiting if necessary. Guessing you tried to land elegy?

I can't comment about the other aggro for that zone, not sure of mob level vs lvl cap or area where OWNM is. No safe places near by to kite to?