Folks have made that point before, but nobody is asking for content past ToAU, because generally most people are here because they agree that Post-ToAU Balance was terrible.

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Anyone wanting to do Salvage again is legit insane... xD

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TOAU had a wealth of content with longevity. Salvage drop rates were so low you were stuck in there for quite awhile. Einherjar was a never ending grind to get different abjurations for people that leveled new jobs and such. Assaults were a fun way to build towards some mid tier gear. Climbing Nyzul to unlock different WS was good stuff. The biggest one would be Building Mythics, which took an eternity even with the huge retail population selling Alex.

The content wouldn't last forever but it doesn't really need to. It would add so much more to the game and only a few players would ever max out on content before they quit. Most importantly however is the content was really fun.

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75WAR 75NIN 75RNG 75THF 75SAM

Then I am the most insane person this world has ever seen.

Awesome!! Another massive middle finger to new players! YAY!!

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Nice to make a change after some people have 50,000 coins stockpiled. lol.

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Therin / Erith

Fairy (ThoseGuys/LostParadise)
Cerberus (Resurgence)
Phoenix (Beyond/DynamisBums)
Shiva (Apathy)
Nasomi (DraconicBallad)

That's actually very well said.

I've said this in a few different places... I've been around the server for years, not always active, but around. People are trying to make the argument about how it's "more like retail now." Which may be true, but like Viktoriya said, this is not retail, in any way, shape, or form. Since it has been 3+ years of being the way it is, we have people that have a ton of great things, but this is going to make people without much harder to catch up to people with, new or old player doesn't matter.

And everyone is trying to make this all about relics. To me, this is going to trickle down to much more than that. Harder to farm gil, harder to farm mats for crafting, harder to get sky drops, or even Leaping Boots. It effects literally anything you would fight for a drop, which let's face it... that's what this game is about. I imagine the economy is going to change a lot, and maybe that's what Nas is going for, he has altered things in the past to make the economy more to his liking from what I understand.

Just a few of my cents. Grats to the people that got in early to get their drops, sorry to the folks that haven't had the opportunity to get your things yet. Good luck out there.

Of course, I'm speaking from a career THF's point of view... ^^

While I completely understand and agree with the philosophy behind this adjustment, I feel that there will be quite a few unintended consequences of what appears to be essentially a 50% (or higher) worldwide reduction in drop rates. Yes, this TH adjustment brings the TH potency more in line with what it was in era retail -- and when looked at in a vaccuum, this seems like a good thing. But, is it? And what about the timing of the adjustment?

Here are a few points I'd like to make:

1) Inflation: With a reduction in drop rates for rare items, I forecast that we will see a marked increase in inflation for those pieces. Prices will rise due to a lower supply of incoming rare items, and I don't believe there will be a similar decrease of gil in the economy to help fight this reduced supply (there are quite a few people sitting on nine figures already, so if prices are going to go down it's going to take a LONG time for all of that gil to get removed from the economy).

2) People who were sitting on large amounts of assets, such as crafters, people in HNM shells or people hoarding Dynamis currency just became the Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffetts of the server. If you think about it, someone who has spent 3 years farming at the previous TH rates is now on a huge advantage over anyone who has joined the server in the past 6-12 months, or any new and incoming players going forward.

3) While I don't think any THFs will be left out of alliances going forward (you still need TH on a mob, no matter how weak or strong it is), I'm sure deep down they feel shafted by what is essentially a single job nerf. Especially while other jobs received a boost in the same maintenance.

4) Previously, any new player could make decent gil with /THF farming Dhalmels in Buburimu, Leeches in Buburimu or Tigers in Batallia/etc. Now, you'll pretty much be required to level THF for farming because the reduction in TH potency has also effected TH1 very heavily. This severely punishes brand new players because they'll need to level another job to 45+ just to afford gear for their mains.

5) Dynamis currency: I know that this was one of the primary reasons for Nas making this change, and I understand that. Previously, the big challenge in getting a relic was to get the Attestation and Fragment. At 700 to 1,000 gil per coin, pretty much anyone could farm for a relic given a little bit of patience and hard work (total relic cost was somewhere between 10 million and 15 million previously). Total relic cost is going to skyrocket now, though. I actually wouldn't mind that fundamentally, because relics should be the final paramount accomplishment in FFXI -- I think we all agree on that. But the timing of the adjustment here is the problem. It's no secret that there are people with 3, 5, even 8 relic weapons already, and there are other people with 10,000 pieces sitting in their inventory. There are even people who have posted in this thread sitting on more than 30,000-50,000 coins stockpiled. After people have been -- for lack of better term -- milking the previous system for 2-3 years, I don't think it's right to make a change now. In fact, I'd go as far to say that I think that previously, getting a relic here was balanced well enough. While you could certainly farm your own relic in a month or two due to the low currency costs, people still had to find groups for city Dynamis clears (which have always been quite challenging) and then put together fairly skilled teams to clear the Attestation and Fragment NMs. None of this could be done solo or by small, unskilled groups. Nas mentioned that there are over 250 completed Stage 5 relics in IRC, but the overwhelming majority of these are contained within the top 2 or 3 linkshells -- probably 90% of them. If you're not in one of those linkshells, getting a relic was still EXTREMELY hard, even if you spent a few hundred hours farming for it and already had all of the currency for them.

In conclusion, I'll try to wrap this all into a few statements. I don't think anyone was quitting this server previously because the drop rates were "too high." Also, I don't believe anyone can seriously sit back and say that this change makes things more like era retail -- Nasomi will never be like era retail (without some type of massive server rollback), people have been taking advantage of this and other non-era or non-retail differences for far too long. In my opinion, all this change is going to do is 1) frustrate current players and potentially drive them to spend their time elsewhere, and 2) seal newer players at an even bigger disadvantage in catching up with older ones.

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Therin / Erith

Fairy (ThoseGuys/LostParadise)
Cerberus (Resurgence)
Phoenix (Beyond/DynamisBums)
Shiva (Apathy)
Nasomi (DraconicBallad)

Aselius murdered TH in the library with the candlestick!

Don't forget:

Garbage coded Kings for years.
Limbus that was almost as big a joke as Dynamis, more than likely still is.
And a personal favourite of mine, the grand finale of jokes, ZNM.
Among many, many other flaws that simply ravaged the servers balance of progression, for years.

Indeed, this server will never be retail, nor will it be anything remotely near it. It'll forever remain a dulled, sullied, pseudo-75 cap casual experience. There are servers out there that'll offer you an experience that feels a lot less like a extremely watered down private server FFXI, I'd recommend seeking it out if you wanted that, but I won't go any further than that.

A shame, this server could never be truly lifted out of the mess it was allowed to drown in for years, but when Nasomi tries, his own playerbase revolt. I feel pity.