You are correct, context does matter. So here's the context: Nasomi is one person fixing bugs, tuning the server, and herding a thousand cats (players) more or less by himself. Time he spends hunting down cheaters is time taken away from bug and content fixes. If he even suspects what you are doing is in the wrong, expect a swift punishment. And no, he's not gonna waste anymore time arguing with you. It's zero tolerance because he literally has better things to do, and time spent smacking one misbehaving player on the nose is robbing hundreds of others of content development time.

So, if you have to ask if a thing is against the rules...just assume it is, and don't do the thing.

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So what should someone do to level Shield Skill? Now I understand not holding on to an enitre area's mobs to prevent others from leveling, but would it be okay to do like 1/2 mobs? I don't know where that one is in the rules. This is a real question about that, because I thought that would be a good way if you leveled without a shield or something. Like if I wanted to level a Paladin, I would get on my 75 BST and level shield skill for a bit to have it capped while I level, especially if Rune Axe worked, I would run Rune Axe with Gaurdy Harness and just face a couple of monsters for a while.

Is it the fact he was afk'ing? Holding too many mobs? or Holding any mobs at all?

If I'm not mistaken, he did it at a popular XP party spot. Don't do that. Go skill Shield in Castle O or something. I'd probably avoid AFK doing it.

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Perfect, that makes perfect sense. Thanks Ya, going to some place like Dunes and taking all the lizards to upgrade shield skill is a douche move haha

No.


It indeed is not in the rules.


Holding mobs without the intent to kill them so that other players cannot kill them is basically violating the rule stating that you can't limit other's gameplay activities.

I don't think anyone will accuse you, or will take action against you (talking nas here) if you went and held some random mob in some random zone that no one was actively trying to farm.

If you go to bubu and hold leeches on a beach until everyone else promises to leave and let you have the beach all to yourself? That was what the guy did. When people refused to leave, he decided he'd afk while holding them all. They were not doing it to level shield skill - they were doing it to make gil. But even if they were doing it to level shield, that would still break the rule.

The only mob that you are allowed to hold, while other people are waiting on you, are HNMs, and only for a limited amount of time (stated in the rules), and only to alter spawn time.

Note the wording there. Knight Crabs? They aren't HNMs. You can't hold a Knight Crab. If you claim one, and there are people competing for KA claim with you, you better intend to be killing it rather quickly. You can't claim a Knight Crab and wait for someone to walk all the way over to Jugner to help you claim KA. This is a violation of the rules. Sure, if you're like, in KRT already, I don't think anyone would seriously mind if they had to wait a few minutes for someone to show up. But if they have to log on still? Run all the way from town? Nah. You're impeding other people's gameplay at that point and open yourself up to enforcement of the rules by nas.

Don't delay killing mobs at all while people are waiting for you to kill it. That's the easiest way to avoid getting hammer'd.

edit: Let's examine another case that I think would reveal some more of how this works.

A few months back, someone in a LS I'm in claimed VE and started fighting it. They weren't sure if they could solo it, but they tried. They said they'd likely need help once they claimed it, and I went out to the dunes when they said they were gonna die. I used the dunes OP, and they started kiting it. I quickly grabbed aggro when I got there and killed it for them. Someone accused us of "holding mobs" because of the kiting to stay alive. The player kiting put in their utmost effort to fight the mob and kill it, and only resorted to running away once they had no chance. They had been kiting for less time than it would have even taken them to run to a zone line.

The player genuinely tried to kill VE. Inb4 "so what counts as trying": don't bother looking for specifics.

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Like I said, head to some obscure area in Castle O or Davoi or something. There are plenty of places that you can skill shield up by holding mobs that don't qualify as impacting another player, because no one else would give a crap.

You'll know it when you're being a dick.

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With respect to sheld skill, really there's no need to hold anything. Most of my shield skill for Red Mage was gained actively farming to purchase better gear. Made a lot of my gil early on AoE farming the higher level quadav in Palborough. Goes without saying if someone was farming Kazham keys I'd take 5 and let theme do their thing, but that was less about avoiding the ban hammer and more simple couth since a 50+ red mage could keep the larger portion of key dropping quadav in that area cleaned out.

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That's actually your context and while yes you make a point. Yet you seem to refuse to see that not everyone likes to assume, as things that was okay on a retail server for say is not okay on Nasomi's server. In which he is our lord and savior who teaches us the ways of what is right and wrong in this world we dwell about. Not the man writing a book of what they think he said or believes.

Fine, then do what your heart desires but Aewyn was just letting you know if you feel it might be against the rules....most likely it is. Just don't be upset if you get the ban. The thing is Nasomi does not have time for context...so no matter how much we want it, we won't get it. So assume...is the best you can get. Assume you are in the wrong and then you will be in the clear.

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Nas~ ignores context? I again ask for evidence. So far the examples seem (to me) to have been justly resolved.