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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:50 am 
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Just give BRD Pianissimo already. It's an amazing QoL that doesn't break the job or the game.


If BRD gets Pianissimo, RDMs get Composure, WAR gets Retaliation, etc.

You can't just pick and choose which WotG updates get shipped for different jobs.


I know your point is "if you're going to give x to y, might as well z to a, and b to c!".

But the inclusion of Pianissimo does almost nothing to the game besides make it easier for BRDs to have the songs they want on the targets they want without making positioning awkward or compromising for both the BRD and targets in question.

Composure on the other hand -- which only affects the RDM(?), affects almost everything they do, it makes it easier for them to solo certain things and perform their duties in parties, all thanks to an increase in buff duration which in turn reduces their MP consumption. Don't forget the increase in melee accuracy either.

Values are not changed at all for Pianissimo while values are changing with Composure in effect. Both make the jobs easier to play, but one doesn't completely change the value of things. I don't know about you, but it's pretty clear to see that Pianissimo hardly changes anything while Composure does.

You can argue that players will just have to deal with it, but the same can be said for our current Etudes and Preludes, if you don't want them, then get out of the way. Why make only those single target when you can make ALL songs single target and also easier to use? I don't think a BRD will enjoy wanting to double INT Etude 5 BLMs when they're made single target because of cooldowns and time restrictions.

Might as well remove Monomi: Ichi, because, while it's incredibly useful to have, it changes a lot as well. Both NIN and /NIN no longer need to waste gil buying crappy duration Oils, only needing to spend gil on 99 uses of Monomi. The market for Oils and now Sanjaku-Tenugui are now being directly affected. Yeah, its inclusion doesn't look game changing, but it's affecting more than you think.

Might as well remove Monomi: Ichi because it's unfair RDMs don't get Distract, WHMs don't get Repose, PLDs don't get Reprisal. See what I did there?

But that's a whole different subject and matter entirely, I actually welcome Monomi: Ichi, if only we knew how to get it!

Again, either give BRDs Pianissimo or just leave everything the way it is and have players deal with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:40 am 
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Central wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Central wrote:
Just give BRD Pianissimo already. It's an amazing QoL that doesn't break the job or the game.


If BRD gets Pianissimo, RDMs get Composure, WAR gets Retaliation, etc.

You can't just pick and choose which WotG updates get shipped for different jobs.


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Might as well remove Monomi: Ichi because it's unfair RDMs don't get Distract, WHMs don't get Repose, PLDs don't get Reprisal. See what I did there?

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Again, either give BRDs Pianissimo or just leave everything the way it is and have players deal with it.


Yeah, Monomi shouldn't be in the game in my opinion. Also, Pianissimo is a crutch for BRDs to be lazy and not learn/use the max distance of their songs.

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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:56 am 
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Pianissimo is fine imo, its a quality of life change over anything else, I'd consider Etudes and Prelude's for example. Also it'll help with the cat herding that is getting Ballad on PLD's sometimes... also helps BLU's out a lot.

If anything it'll make BRD's less Lazy as they'll start using more songs.

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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:08 am 
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Are you just nitpicking my post? You posted the same thing I've already addressed, just reworded in a negative and demeaning way.

If Pianissimo is a crutch for BRDs who don't know how to use their max possible distance, then there should be no problems with leaving Etudes and Preludes alone, expecting both the BRD and players who want or don't want it on them to either stay in range or get out of the way.

This applies to ALL of their songs.

AGAIN, either give BRDs Pianissimo or just leave everything the way it is and have players deal with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:15 am 
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Except that isn’t the way it’s supposed to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:46 am 
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But max distance uses a plug-in that used to not exist?

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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:35 pm 
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I’d be fine if you wanted to remove the plugin, I guess.

A plug-in that measures distance isn’t really the same as fundamentally changing how a job works.

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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:42 pm 
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Central wrote:
Are you just nitpicking my post? You posted the same thing I've already addressed, just reworded in a negative and demeaning way.

If Pianissimo is a crutch for BRDs who don't know how to use their max possible distance, then there should be no problems with leaving Etudes and Preludes alone, expecting both the BRD and players who want or don't want it on them to either stay in range or get out of the way.

This applies to ALL of their songs.

AGAIN, either give BRDs Pianissimo or just leave everything the way it is and have players deal with it.



FFXI lost it's luster with additions such as Pianissimo and other post-ToAU changes. It went from having a low skill floor/high skill ceiling to a high skill floor/low skill ceiling.

For the record, I'd like Etude/Prelude to be single target but I adjust and actually make use of the fact they aren't.

I don't know why it'd be ok to grant one out of era change because it's not "gamebreaking" according to you. All Pianissimo does is raise the skill floor of the job(which can be considered gamebreaking to some), something I'm adamantly against. I'm done arguing about changes that most likely won't ever be implemented.

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 Post subject: Re: Some Bard Bugs~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:53 pm 
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This thread seems to be going off topic from the original post that was made back in April. If you guys want to suggest a specific spell is considered to be implemented by Nas, please create a new post to discuss this. The original topic was in regards to known bugs. Thanks folks! :)

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