Is mining elemental ores an intended game mechanic? The feels unfair.

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This is a repeat of the HELMF thread, where the consensus was "if you're not sure whether what you're doing is cheating or not, don't do it".

That said, it would be helpful if Nasomi updated the rules so that we could understand where the line is drawn better. I also agree with Wolf's point that pets are stronger here than they were on retail, yet we aren't exploiting by simply playing SMN/BST/DRG. However I see a margin of difference between stronger pets and using an ability to fight a boss in a way that wasn't possible on retail... yet King Behemoth is susceptible to some Gravity kiting according to the wiki, which blurs the line further.

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Baleful Badger

Not when it's Dashie being wronged. That line is crystal clear.

Asking completely relevant questions that make the point that his tantrum maybe ill-advised or mistargeted? Nitpicking.

I believe continuing to claim any HNM would be against intended game mechanics. We know that Nasomi didn't intend for it to be based on player age, but it still is, so I reckon we leave them up until its fixed? See how quickly this game gets dumb, and maybe we just report things to Nasomi when we see them and move on.. instead of getting pissed publicly every time?

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No Wolf, you ignorant fool. Elemental Ores are mined because we can't Garden. Ifrit's Cauldron is set up how it is because of QoL changes in the base code Nasomi is running off of. If you knew anything, you'd understand. So before your stupid ass goes spewing out idiotic statements, check yourself.

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Dashie the Baa-shiest of Spellblades.
Waemtrach the Enraged Monk.

Why nuke stuff down, when stabbing something is so much more pleasing?
Sling Swords not Spells™

Mobs not aggroing you if you stand above them is a QoL change?

I appreciate you having to resort to name calling to attempt to make a point, but it's not going to really work. You can call names all you'd like - It doesn't remotely bother me. Now, as I was saying, you kinda missed the point.

How are we supposed to determine what's intended? You seem to think we should compare it to the Wiki at times, and then at other times..? Just.. guess? Hope? Pray about it??

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Edit: Redacting negative statements about the trashy player that has no idea what he's speaking about as per request to "chill out some". But TopShelf or not, I would have railed into him regardless. I do not speak for my Linkshell in any way, shape, or form. I will call out what I believe shall be called out with no regrets.

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Dashie the Baa-shiest of Spellblades.
Waemtrach the Enraged Monk.

Why nuke stuff down, when stabbing something is so much more pleasing?
Sling Swords not Spells™

You might say OF COURSE ITS OBVIOUS THAT MAZURKA SHOULD WEAR

and I'd say: Of course it's obvious that pets shouldn't be game breakingly strong, or of course you shouldn't be able to perform things in areas that mobs should aggro you.. but don't, because if you stand in specific spots they can't "see you".

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Paging topshelf moderators please delete this topic asap your members are revealing how they think and behave publically

Are you about to start a rap battle, or something? Do you live in a functioning society? My lord.

Well.. When he figures out the Mazurka stuff, it'll be fixed obviously.

Saying "When he figures out the Y-Axis stuff it'll be fixed" is only useful if you don't go out of your way to take advantage of that y-axis issue, Dashie. I'm sorry if someone as incompetent as me has to explain that nuance to you.

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Being with a bunch of new players that arrived here a month ago, I've warned my friends about how harsh punishment can be here, but the line is blurry between unretail-like usable things and unretail-like forbidden things and I hope none of us end up doing something we're not supposed to and get docked levels.

That's why I hope Nasomi notices and something constructive like a rewording of the rules can still emerge from these discussions.
"Don't kite with Mazurka. Don't abuse mob pathfinding. Don't try to circumvent the level sync range. Don't hold mobs hitting you, you have to attack or zone after 5 minutes." Etc.

It sounds obvious to some, to others not. We're all gamers with different backgrounds, and some are used to only playing games that have had an extensive QA process and where you just can't do anything you're not meant to.

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Baleful Badger