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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:50 pm 
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Phat13uddha wrote:
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So forgive me I'm not understanding this right but it sounds like you are ok with Bsts killing things just not with other jobs also in the group? So a Group of Bsts can kill Znms and it's ok. But if a Bst kills a Znm for any other job it's wrong?

Or is it you just want Bsts to xp solo/duo/trio and not be able to do anything else at all?


I think putting gear on mobs that you make level 99 because you don't want the area to be functional yet, but for those to be very easily killed because you allow a broken job to continue to exist is a fundamental problem with the server, economy, and gear balance.


Ok so Say Nas takes away all the TOAU boats, and teleports and no one can get to TOAU areas anymore. And Bsts are still the same, do you still feel like they should be changed?

How about if you get all the changes you want to Bst? Would you ever take a Bst to merit/xp with you? Would you ever take one to any endgame?

Yes BST should still be changed, do you feel a broken class shouldn't be changed just because one thing they can exploit is taken away? No I would never take BSTs with me anywhere now or if the change was made.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:52 pm 
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AraY wrote:
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Of course I'm serious, why else would I post it. I don't see people buying their weapons over and over again to exp or fight NMs

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I love this post, it exposes bst IQ


I love this quote, it exposes that there isn't a informative response.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:52 pm 
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I'm certainly not going to do your work for you, that's why I deleted my post.

I believe everything that is broken should be fixed, so you're talking to the wrong guy when you do stupid thought experiments of like, "If you're going to fix this, then you have to fix this!!!!!" ---- I agree. Get on it. You didn't "catch" me. Fix it all.

BST is fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:54 pm 
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AraY wrote:
Phat13uddha wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:

I think putting gear on mobs that you make level 99 because you don't want the area to be functional yet, but for those to be very easily killed because you allow a broken job to continue to exist is a fundamental problem with the server, economy, and gear balance.


Ok so Say Nas takes away all the TOAU boats, and teleports and no one can get to TOAU areas anymore. And Bsts are still the same, do you still feel like they should be changed?

How about if you get all the changes you want to Bst? Would you ever take a Bst to merit/xp with you? Would you ever take one to any endgame?

Yes BST should still be changed, do you feel a broken class shouldn't be changed just because one thing they can exploit is taken away? No I would never take BSTs with me anywhere now or if the change was made.


I can agree with your response. I've never taken bst to an HNM such as Fafnir. I understand its OP but I don't like to use it in that method


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:58 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
I'm certainly not going to do your work for you, that's why I deleted my post.

I believe everything that is broken should be fixed, so you're talking to the wrong guy when you do stupid thought experiments of like, "If you're going to fix this, then you have to fix this!!!!!" ---- I agree. Get on it. You didn't "catch" me. Fix it all.

BST is fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.


No you're right that bst is broken. I would agree with a fix. The lvl 85 crab is not of era. Its supposed to raise pets such as the fungar from a cap of 65 to 75. And as far as the stacking 2hrs that shouldn't be a thing either. But after the bst fix I would love to see other fixes as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:00 pm 
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Dakirby wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
I'm certainly not going to do your work for you, that's why I deleted my post.

I believe everything that is broken should be fixed, so you're talking to the wrong guy when you do stupid thought experiments of like, "If you're going to fix this, then you have to fix this!!!!!" ---- I agree. Get on it. You didn't "catch" me. Fix it all.

BST is fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.


No you're right that bst is broken. I would agree with a fix. The lvl 85 crab is not of era. Its supposed to raise pets such as the fungar from a cap of 65 to 75. And as far as the stacking 2hrs that shouldn't be a thing either. But after the bst fix I would love to see other fixes as well.

Wolf you're a hero.

Hold up Kirbz, you have opposed everything until the last two posts, did you finally actually read what we were saying? You're a hard one to figure out.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:01 pm 
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On a side note for those who aren't beast. Everyone forgets until they need help that bst have to buy their biscuits, buy their jugs, buy food for player. charm gear, melee gear, reward gear. When you are a melee job such as Sam you buy your gear once, on this server you don't have to repair your gear.

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Is this satire? I genuinely feel like i'm being trolled. You're saying here that bst is fine being broke because it has to buy biscuits and gearsets. Well as a samurai i feel its unfair i have to buy a weapon skill set, pdt set, mdt set, idle set, melee set, low acc set, high acc set etc etc. I don't understand how this is even a defence for a job being completely busted and dominating a large portion of content.

My only suggestion in this whole thread was that if bst is nerfed it would be beneficial for the monster levels to be lowered in many ways to open up exp camps for a growing playerbase among other things such as Imperial standing and learning blu magic which are added bonuses. Yesterday there was over 1400 players active and we're missing half the camps for 52+ with no toau.

I don't think anything i've posted is ridiculous, and i'm sure most the community would appreciate a more accurate representation of both bst and aht urghan.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:03 pm 
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As a new player, this thread explained a lot. I thought Nasomi's large number of BSTs was just about people interested in soloing in the good old times at their own pace, it's actually a golden ticket to powerful gear from otherwise hardly accessible content for most, among other problems. It's... a bit disgusting. But after seeing SMN being ravaged as it was, I'm expecting BST to get a review too... sometimes.

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Dakirby wrote:
On a side note for those who aren't beast. Everyone forgets until they need help that bst have to buy their biscuits, buy their jugs, buy food for player. charm gear, melee gear, reward gear. When you are a melee job such as Sam you buy your gear once, on this server you don't have to repair your gear.
Is this satire? I genuinely feel like i'm being trolled.


I felt trolled too. I'm new but I fished like a madman to afford Ranger and Corsair ammunition, good food, cards, decent gear and other shit. I don't feel BST's operating costs are anything special at all.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:13 pm 
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AraY wrote:
Dakirby wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
I'm certainly not going to do your work for you, that's why I deleted my post.

I believe everything that is broken should be fixed, so you're talking to the wrong guy when you do stupid thought experiments of like, "If you're going to fix this, then you have to fix this!!!!!" ---- I agree. Get on it. You didn't "catch" me. Fix it all.

BST is fundamentally broken, and significantly more powerful than they were at the time that the game is aiming to replicate. Sorry if that fact upsets you, but that's the case and is why people would like it fixed.


No you're right that bst is broken. I would agree with a fix. The lvl 85 crab is not of era. Its supposed to raise pets such as the fungar from a cap of 65 to 75. And as far as the stacking 2hrs that shouldn't be a thing either. But after the bst fix I would love to see other fixes as well.

Wolf you're a hero.

Hold up Kirbz, you have opposed everything until the last two posts, did you finally actually read what we were saying? You're a hard one to figure out.


Why are you even here if you're not going to have an educated response.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:14 pm 
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Piellar wrote:
As a new player, this thread explained a lot. I thought Nasomi's large number of BSTs was just about people interested in soloing in the good old times at their own pace, it's actually a golden ticket to powerful gear from otherwise hardly accessible content for most, among other problems. It's... a bit disgusting. But after seeing SMN being ravaged as it was, I'm expecting BST to get a review too... sometimes.

Goodjuice wrote:
Dakirby wrote:
On a side note for those who aren't beast. Everyone forgets until they need help that bst have to buy their biscuits, buy their jugs, buy food for player. charm gear, melee gear, reward gear. When you are a melee job such as Sam you buy your gear once, on this server you don't have to repair your gear.
Is this satire? I genuinely feel like i'm being trolled.


I felt trolled too. I'm new but I fished like a madman to afford Ranger and Corsair ammunition, good food, cards, decent gear and other shit. I don't feel BST's operating costs are anything special at all.


I would love for bst to have a JA as recycle, And as for Cor thats always been expensive to lvl but you can get a pt without having to buy bullets and cards. Its a COR who doesn't want a naked Cor.


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