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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:01 am 
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RAIST5150 wrote:
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Whining?

I made ONE thread about it, as a plea for better behavior.

I am routinely cautioned by system messages against cheating/botting and reminded to play fair.


You act like you're the only player policing auction behavior when I can name several who routinely do it that aren't you. What clearly has happened is you have worked your mentality into this perfect little box, and anything that doesn't conform to your perfect vision must be policed. Nobody needs to behave any better than the rules allow for, and last I checked, undercutting is not only a legitimate strategy but it's a perfectly rules legal thing to do. So regardless of your post count, it is in fact whining.

You're routinely cautioned by the system because people are not effectively deterred from their behavior that ruins the game for the rest of us. But like I said, people with more time than you or I carry more power to act that way.



But... we will get the community we create. Remember the Division? <shudder>

Just because it may not technically be a violation, it can cause issues... if we as a community let it go unchecked, are we not complicit?

So, I am just another in a sea of voices calling out bad behavior? If it is THAT prevalent, perhaps it is evidence of a problem?

Should we not hope for better practices in the world in which we are helping to shape?


No. I don't play bad AAA titles.

Yeah, and those are the rules of the game, if you dislike them nobody is pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to continue to login.

No, because for it to be evidence of a problem would require you or anyone else pushing this narrative to be an expert in understanding Final Fantasy XI, Economics or Psychology of player behavior.

Except that the world we are hoping to shape in this case is clearly defined, and your participation in this implicitly says you are okay with it. You clearly don't care that much. You're still playing.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:08 am 
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dimitri wrote:
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Ok fine. Predatory pricing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

Happy? Dumping is a special case of predatory pricing, and sometimes applies here because undercutters are expansive and look for unexploited markets.

no you are still wrong and quoted another lolwiki that you again didnt bother to read. what you wanted was the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_war link in your article that describes market competition. unless youre suggesting these goods are being imported from other servers and dumped on the nasomi ah? stick to communications.

Your claim that the OP did not describe predatory pricing doesn't make sense to me. The wiki page actually referred to it as undercutting and the descriptions fit. Sure, there is legitimate market competition, but the principal complaint here is not about that at all. So, if you're trying to imply that this practice would be legal in real life, you would be mistaken. Or maybe you don't think that people are setting prices very low to discourage others from selling? The article states that "it can be difficult to prove that prices dropped because of deliberate predatory pricing, rather than legitimate price competition."


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:10 am 
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Unpopular opinion: the 7 item limit is an appropriate number


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:10 am 
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RAIST5150 wrote:
Just because it may not technically be a violation, it can cause issues... if we as a community let it go unchecked, are we not complicit?

So, I am just another in a sea of voices calling out bad behavior? If it is THAT prevalent, perhaps it is evidence of a problem?

Should we not hope for better practices in the world in which we are helping to shape?


This is incredibly naive, especially on an anonymous video game.

I've been playing here more than 3.5 years and there has literally NEVER been a better time to make money on this server. Do your research, talk to the other crafters, and find your niche.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:22 am 
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The market will fix itself. I suggest you diversify


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:39 am 
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Fid wrote:
RAIST5150 wrote:
Just because it may not technically be a violation, it can cause issues... if we as a community let it go unchecked, are we not complicit?

So, I am just another in a sea of voices calling out bad behavior? If it is THAT prevalent, perhaps it is evidence of a problem?

Should we not hope for better practices in the world in which we are helping to shape?


This is incredibly naive, especially on an anonymous video game.

I've been playing here more than 3.5 years and there has literally NEVER been a better time to make money on this server. Do your research, talk to the other crafters, and find your niche.


Concepcion wrote:
The market will fix itself. I suggest you diversify


That is the problem.

I had found a niche, and have been running a range of items--a large part of it stuff I have been crafting.

I have over 100k of stuff currently stuck in the AH ATM because of this issue. And with the client limitations, I don't really feel like stepping through 100 items to try to correct them, only to have that one troublesome player go right behind me and pull the rug out from under me again.

What seems to be getting missed is how if these people would have just left the markets alone, their stuff would sell through in a timely fashion, just like it USUALLY DOES (and at a better price, mind you)....

That is a very important point that seems to be getting glossed over.

These are not big ticket items that take a long time to sell... but items that routinely cycle through. But individual accounts have taken over these items and essentially held them hostage atm.

It isn't me being some special snowflake, or naive... someone else alluded that I might not care about this b/c I am still in the game. Quite the contrary... I made the post because I DO care. Not just about me, but the community at large. I don't want to be that guy that goes around reporting people and creating undue headaches for Nas, as he is the arbiter of such complaints. I would rather plea to <hopefully> the better nature of our fellow players to, in the words and spirit of George Carlin's Rufus from Bill and Ted, "Be Excellent to each other... and... PARTY ON DUDES!".

Society is generally what we make it... If we are not willing to be better stewards, we have naught but ourselves to blame for the environment we get.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:56 am 
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RAIST5150 wrote:
It isn't me being some special snowflake, or naive.


Nah, that's the tone of this post. You're either triggered that you got undercut, or you don't understand economics in the video game world. It is survival of the fittest in the truest sense. Can you afford to crash a market for months to remove your competition before making it profitable again? No? Many of those around you can and will.

Edit: Many others also do not mind making minimal gil per synth/transaction.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:05 am 
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RAIST5150 wrote:
What seems to be getting missed is how if these people would have just left the markets alone, their stuff would sell through in a timely fashion, just like it USUALLY DOES (and at a better price, mind you)....

That is a very important point that seems to be getting glossed over.



no. you don't seem to understand how time functions into profits.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:08 am 
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Kazen wrote:
RAIST5150 wrote:
It isn't me being some special snowflake, or naive.


Nah, that's the tone of this post. You're either triggered that you got undercut, or you don't understand economics in the video game world. It is survival of the fittest in the truest sense. Can you afford to crash a market for months to remove your competition before making it profitable again? No? Many of those around you can and will.


I understand the economics of it just fine.... isn't my first rodeo. I just believe we as a community could benefit more from healthier economic practices.

But somehow, asking for it puts a target on my back for ridicule... still too many Id's on the forums I guess?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:38 am 
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Fid wrote:
If you want to collaborate with someone on pricing, I'd suggest reaching out to them directly rather than putting this on the forums. This post will accomplish nothing.

@Julia Why do you list your education in your forum signature?



lmao

as someone who frequently undercuts with a specific purpose (that people have mentioned thus far already) i'd say: no


as for Nab's post... I agree.

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