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Chakan
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:30 pm 
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Fidelcashflow wrote:
Even if we assume 400 of those people online were alts / mules at the time of that picture being taken, that's still not even 15% of the server that even gave enough of a damn to vote.


Didn't even get a chance to, personally. It's the holidays. Some of us are hecking busy as shit.
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Nathano
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Wolffhardt wrote:
I’m trying to argue the point that you actually hold without making illogical statements and looking like a dumbass.

You’re not contributing anything. The relics aren’t being touched, and shouldn’t be... and is completely unrelated to why PW items shouldn’t be deleted.


Says the person that doesn't know what a sample size is. But no it's the same and I argued why it is. But I am interested in what you have to say, so could you elaborate it to me and the others? And if you do, I'd be happy to discuss with you about that. I list my points earlier. I am curious to see your educated response to it.
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Nathano
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:33 pm 
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Chakan wrote:
Fidelcashflow wrote:
Even if we assume 400 of those people online were alts / mules at the time of that picture being taken, that's still not even 15% of the server that even gave enough of a damn to vote.


Didn't even get a chance to, personally. It's the holidays. Some of us are hecking busy as shit.


Ey man how have ya been? How's the other server treating you?
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Wolffhardt
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:34 pm 
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You have me mistaken with someone else about the sample size thing, I think.

But, no they aren’t remotely similar... and it’s a losing argument, even if they were, because Nas already decided that one.

Instead, there is a very defensible reason to not remove Pw items and that is the fact it sets the precedent of LS needing to determine if they should even bother doing content when they realize something isn’t working perfectly.

Instead you’ve spent 9 pages arguing a position that isn’t even valid. It’s already been decided he isn’t deleting relics, and he shouldn’t.

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Nathano
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:35 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
You have me mistaken with someone else about the sample size thing, I think.

But, no they aren’t remotely similar... and it’s a losing argument, even if they were, because Nas already decided that one.

Instead, there is a very defensible reason to not remove Pw items and that is the fact it sets the precedent of LS needing to determine if they should even bother doing content when they realize something isn’t working perfectly.

Instead you’ve spent 9 pages arguing a position that isn’t even valid. It’s already been decided he isn’t deleting relics, and he shouldn’t.


So it's okay for players to complain their relics are being taken away until Nas rolled back his decision? If it is, why?

In addition, isn't this the same case here? Something is being taken away and we have a right, like those with relics did, to complain.


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Tsukkasa
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:35 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Tsukkasa wrote:
Nathano wrote:

Then let's roll back them relics. Would you say that's a fair trade off?


How long did it take to gather pop items for PW pop items on nasomi compared to how long it would take in the original retail design? Then, how long did a PW kill take and with how many BSTs VS how many hours should it have taken per SE design with how many playing characters?

Now, lets weigh that against how many man hours hours did TH being op cut off the farming time of a relic?

I have no relic and I have no PW items. I do have a brain and know that this is not the same hecking thing.



PW isn’t popped. He’s just sitting up... or at least was.

Please don’t argue about things you have no knowledge of.


That's the point I'm making. You had to do NOTHING for PW but show up and kill w a couple of OP charmed mobs.

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Wolffhardt
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Tsukkasa wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
Tsukkasa wrote:

How long did it take to gather pop items for PW pop items on nasomi compared to how long it would take in the original retail design? Then, how long did a PW kill take and with how many BSTs VS how many hours should it have taken per SE design with how many playing characters?

Now, lets weigh that against how many man hours hours did TH being op cut off the farming time of a relic?

I have no relic and I have no PW items. I do have a brain and know that this is not the same hecking thing.



PW isn’t popped. He’s just sitting up... or at least was.

Please don’t argue about things you have no knowledge of.


That's the point I'm making. You had to do NOTHING for PW but show up and kill w a couple of OP charmed mobs.



Genuinely thought you were arguing that the items shouldn’t be deleted because you still had to do all that. My bad <3

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Tsukkasa
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:38 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Tsukkasa wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:


PW isn’t popped. He’s just sitting up... or at least was.

Please don’t argue about things you have no knowledge of.


That's the point I'm making. You had to do NOTHING for PW but show up and kill w a couple of OP charmed mobs.



Genuinely thought you were arguing that the items shouldn’t be deleted because you still had to do all that. My bad <3


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In the end, who gives a shit. I'll play this until SE shuts it down or it burns out with or without a Nana, hachi or relic.

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Wolffhardt
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Nathano wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
You have me mistaken with someone else about the sample size thing, I think.

But, no they aren’t remotely similar... and it’s a losing argument, even if they were, because Nas already decided that one.

Instead, there is a very defensible reason to not remove Pw items and that is the fact it sets the precedent of LS needing to determine if they should even bother doing content when they realize something isn’t working perfectly.

Instead you’ve spent 9 pages arguing a position that isn’t even valid. It’s already been decided he isn’t deleting relics, and he shouldn’t.


So it's okay for players to complain their relics are being taken away until Nas rolled back his decision? If it is, why?

In addition, isn't this the same case here? Something is being taken away and we have a right, like those with relics did, to complain.


Jesus Christ Nathano, yes you have the right to complain. I agree with you. I don’t want Nas to think our reasons for not deleting them is the stupid bullshit you keep saying because it’s not going to convince him. You can and should complain, I’m asking you to do it less stupidly

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Chakan
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:39 pm 
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It doesn't matter if you had to farm the pop or not, the PW fight was ridiculously broken making him a chump.
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