Nabutso wrote:
Let's get the facts out there about relic.
For a very short time when the server had a few dozen, not hundreds, of players, there were some major bugs with drops making relics easier to get. A few players still exist from that era. They do not have 10+ relics each.
Since the few hundred player mark, for a few years, TH was too powerful. This affected all items. Not just relic. But even that wide-spread issue that wasn't specific to Relic's obtain-ability led nas to try to rollback all relics by 1 step. By the time nas tried to do this rollback, the vast majority of relics were obtained "legitimately" (read: not from the very short time that they really were 'ez-mode'). Over 50% of the logged in player population at any given time was lv 75. Some of them had a relic and were working on a 2nd, some were working on their first, etc. The problem? If you just had currency, you just lost nothing. If you had actually invested in a relic, you lost something. And not only that, there were bugs causing people to not be able to continue their relic progress, so they were permanently stuck with a former step, and couldn't even try to continue.
Relics were still hard to obtain. It cost upwards of 15~20m gil before the TH change. Now it's about 30~40m, depending on the currency you need. Regardless of the currency, you still needed to get to 75, to get into a Dynamis shell, to have 18 people together to get the other items required for relic that aren't currency. All these things were still required.
Compare that rollback and it's subsequent undoing to the current proposed one: items obtainable from mobs that have instant respawns, a super-NM of AV's tier being killed by a few people quietly with secret strats (only in the past few months has the -entire- playerbase been made aware that it's BSTs). This is even more gross of an "EZ" mode than the easiest relics ever were for the handful of players who obtained them that way.
The two are completely incomparable. They are not at all the same subject.
The gilocaust, however, fits every single note in the song that is the removal of PW items. People were angry back then too. More people. The entire server.
Life goes on
disclaimer: I do not have an "ez mode" relic nor did I ever purchase currency before they cost 200k or more gil each. I was not affected by the relic rollback and had no opinion at the time. Nor do I have any PW items, ZNM items, etc.
Yes they are, because it was in easy mode these were obtained, or did you magically forget that? Player base of a few hundred to 1.3k is scaleable when we are talking about 300+ players holding PW items alone--not considering OTHER ZNM's. So yes it is very scaleable in terms of pop. If we scaled it to other ZNM's, I'm sure that number goes higher.
So I argue that yes we have leverage. More so than you make it out to be. Your gamble taking it away or not, we saw the poll and we saw what most the playerbase said with respect to the sample size. Gamble and see what happens. But that aside, we understand that Nas was going to take it back and he decided not to with respect to relics. And look at how Nas handled that situation? He scaled everyone's gil by a percentage? That's not that bad as gil can easily be created. But items are not as renewable as gil. That's the problem here. Gil is created all the time when people kill mobs or sell items to the NPC and is very rarely deleted. those type of items are not in the ratio like gil is. It's a nice try to make the distinction, but I don't think many players are buying that and is why the other threads were deleted.
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