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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:52 pm 
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#coolstorybro only TS saying that there doesnt exist a "protected class of players" LMAO


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:54 pm 
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Trojaness wrote:
Would it be possible for those strongly advocating against this to stop spreading misinformation about what happened in yesteryear and putting newer players off the endgame. From the few conversations I've had about this, a lot of these people don't even have a nuanced view of the situation and are just disheartened and think the game is going to be made harder for them.

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Some people don't even know that Dynamis is a 24hr lockout, so you can go daily to farm currencies (which some people do) to speed up a relic building compared to "back in the day". But of course this is left of the rant they receive.
With regards to TH, all they hear is it was OP and it benefited the "lol look who got duped relics" target group of the day, again, not being told that it affected all drops. I should know, my farming expeditions take a long longer than they did previously to fill up inventories, a lot longer.
AV from my understanding, the mob itself wasn't bugged, but the job abilities that were used in killing it. This wasn't even known until the mob was killed (I think 4 times), and the the bugs were found out, reported and changed. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this part. If what I understand is true, comparing to an instantly re-popping mob, that can be lowman'd and doesn't require any farming except to pop is a little bit narrow minded.

The thing that bothers me about this most, is that those who object to the proposed action are advocating the creation of a protected class of players. Not only are they advocating for a protected class, they are using their perception of another protected class of players (Which doesn't really exist if one can step outside the argument and examine some context) as the reason they also shouldn't have action taken against them. It all smacks of playground sillyness, if I'm going to picked on those other people have to get picked on too. As if one group suffering isn't enough, it's a pretty poor human being that goes out of their way to try and have someone else punished to make you feel better.

I don't have a relic or PW items that I'm aware of. I do have 2 Turbans, a Cerb Mantle, Fowling earring and maybe a beak necklace and I wouldn't mind if they were removed under the realm of fairness, I'd just buy them again when they are available.

Also, I know this magical number of 308 (?) H bodies has been flying around and used as a statistic to say it's not an insignificant amount of the community agrees with this, completely ignores the number of players who own these items who have spoken in agreement with this. So many times in Naschat yesterday it was, "I speak for the community" or "The community has spoken", to which my reply is you don't speak for the whole community. Which brings me onto the poll, it maybe in some statistical science wikithingymabob somewhere that is a relevant sample size, but it doesn't really represent most of the people who don't give shit and were busy enjoy ToAU missions and new areas ignoring for the most part forum drama.



Great post!! Speak the truth

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:00 pm 
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KivyinShiva wrote:
#coolstorybro only TS saying that there doesnt exist a "protected class of players" LMAO


And what about us not in top shelf that are telling you all to stop crying?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:14 pm 
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And what about if you stop watching people cry and go enjoy your time doing something else?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:15 pm 
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KivyinShiva wrote:
It wasnt for a very short time... lol
"Regardless of the currency, you still needed to get to 75, to get into a Dynamis shell, to have 18 people together to get the other items required for relic that aren't currency. All these things were still required." lol Not like the joke of PW we had we didnt need to get to 75? lol

PW at the beginning was consider hard to pull cus of the lamps and bugs, Brainjak crashing the zone,

You guys seem to miss the point, The excuse of deleting this PW items is that is not fair for new players. Then why not reroll back relics? As it is right now. Is not fair for the new players, I know it was "hard" work previous vets had to spend to get their NOT ezmode relics. But still is not compare to work NEW players have to spend to be able to have just 1 single relic while there are players. Lets not say 10+ relic. But most of those ATLEAST have +3 relics.

I don't see how can you talk about fair game. By erasing PW items. lol

Disclaimer: I alreayd sold 4 Hachi body and do not care about this item getting deleted or not. I do not own a relic.


I started farming dyna currency less than a year ago, long after the th fix. I have 4 relics. It takes a ton of time still but it’s not an unrealistic goal like it was in retail. That is a perk of the server in my opinion. It really isn’t much harder now than it ever was. It might even be easier in a few more months as you look at the bazaar page now, there is consistently 8-10 people selling currency. There is no one around anymore with interest in price fixing it so those prices are dropping and will continue to do so. It is a silly comparison to pw items that can be farmed x2 in just a couple hours. I voted in nabutsos poll for everyone to keep their things. But I grow increasingly indifferent to the whole thing seeing everyone’s way overblown reactions. It’s just seeming like people wanted the content but now apparently don’t want to actually participate in it. That is silly.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:17 pm 
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it really looks like this guy has something against Topshelf that's all lmao

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:20 pm 
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This old breed vs new breed debate is old. Sure things were easier when the server first started -- blame it on code, blame it on population, blame it on lack of punishment for exploiters -- whatever floats your boat. People like to clump others into categories when they have absolutely NO idea about server history.

Want to see old breed? Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMZQSRYH3hA

How many players in that video are still around? How about this one? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO2SQS ... Ofg/videos -- OR this one -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjfPH_c9FQc

There are only a few of the true "old" breed left and the names that you recognize that are still around -- guess what? I have MORE relics than all of them through a dynamis strategy that STILL EXISTS in which one can obtain a relic largely at the SAME PACE! The relic vs PW debate is ignorant -- stop bringing it up.

How many millions of gil have I lost over the years for server instability while in a dynamis zone? Or when a avatar used a 2hr and crashed the zone? How much of that was reimbursed? None. How often do you experience that now adays? RARELY. The playerbase has it so much better these days. You can actually log in and get an experience points party. You can choose amoung a wide variety of different groups to join in order to accomplish your goals. You can actually check the auction house and obtain ANY item you want without having to spend DAYS/MONTHS/MORE leveling a craft OR begging the 1-2 people at the appropriate level to craft for you.

Nasomi is providing CONTENT for you and everyone to enjoy. The removal of ToAU gear does not seperate the new from the old but rather provides an opportunity for EVERYONE to complete new content.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:33 pm 
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This is great. 10/10. I could be biased since I’m included.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:40 pm 
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Well, nasomi sent out a server message that people can get some form of reimbursement. Maybe now people will shut the hell up about it.


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