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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:01 pm 
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It's right here, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:01 pm 
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Can you stop using the same phrase? Everyone else already knows what happens when people “put up” here, and we’ve tried to tell you about it for 7 pages.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:02 pm 
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Cilarnen wrote:


I’ve always liked you

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:08 pm 
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Was trying to post this earlier, but better late than never- here's the link to that blog that was referenced back on like page 2: http://robonosto.blogspot.com/2008/12/o ... rates.html

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:12 pm 
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Oh. Cool. Now can we fix it?

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...TopShelf told Nas to roll back all your ZNM gear, do the gilpocalypse and nerf Fishing/RNG into the ground.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:23 pm 
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Armaddon wrote:
Was trying to post this earlier, but better late than never- here's the link to that blog that was referenced back on like page 2: http://robonosto.blogspot.com/2008/12/o ... rates.html


Hm. Actually looking at this data is making me rethink that the current Nasomi formulae. They seem much closer to the data presented here. Especially in XP parties - a Level 75 without any special M.ACC gear was hitting unresisted no more than 60% of the time against level 78 monsters, which, for all intents and purposes would be even better odds than your average BLM grinding on ITs.

I'd love to see the ways this data differs from the current formulae in regards to how M.ACC is scaling hit rate, but I don't play mages and none of the whiners here want to test it. So I guess we'll never know.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:23 am 
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Give the exact stats you have and the name of the mob you did this on Cil

edit: wait.. that's the same pattern of damage copy pasted to fill 1000 entries.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:24 am 
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violetnce wrote:
but I don't play mages


well... that explains a LOT.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:31 am 
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RAIST5150 wrote:
violetnce wrote:
but I don't play mages


well... that explains a LOT.


Hard evidence from actual 2008 gets posted that unambiguously clears up every misconception about BLM from the era and robustly proves wrong literally everyone in this thread who was saying BLM was much more powerful in retail (myself included).

You know, I always tell people that when they're in a discussion or debate, the one thing they can count on is that their conversation partners will always use what they believe is their strongest argument to convince those around them. If they don't put forward an argument, they don't have one.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:07 am 
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violetnce wrote:
RAIST5150 wrote:
violetnce wrote:
but I don't play mages


well... that explains a LOT.


Hard evidence from actual 2008 gets posted that unambiguously clears up every misconception about BLM from the era and robustly proves wrong literally everyone in this thread who was saying BLM was much more powerful in retail (myself included).

You know, I always tell people that when they're in a discussion or debate, the one thing they can count on is that their conversation partners will always use what they believe is their strongest argument to convince those around them. If they don't put forward an argument, they don't have one.



uhhh... BLM is no where near as strong as what is displayed in that old post on Nas.

Will you ever learn to not talk about things you have no clue about?

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