lord this exchange made me actually laugh out loud.

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No, you won't. How many of you were out here on the forums complaining that BLM was overtuned or OP when BLM was more powerful? Not people in general - you and your clique. It's been YEARS since the damage formulae changed on retail and overtuned BLM has also existed on this server for YEARS. Don't you think it's a bit more likely that you're rusty with oldschool BLM and your memory is a bit foggy with something that only existed long ago? Everyone gets rusty. I've replayed games from my childhood that I haven't played in years, but I played the hell out of when I was a child - despite knowing for an absolute fact the game hasn't changed, I've had a visceral reaction that the game feels off in some way - too sluggish or too clumsy or requiring strict inputs that I didn't remember being so tough. So if I (and so many other people who experience this sort of phenomenon) can't even remember exactly how a game controls, how could you possibly remember resist statistics that you never knew in the first place just by playing the game?

So no, you won't figure out if it's closer because you're not a super-human who magically retained perfect game-feel memory of a years old game.

lol wut? Didn't you join here like 3 months ago? Maybe skip being passionate about things that you have no knowledge of? Many people were, hence why it was nerfed.. along with everything else that is OP that is nerfed. We complain, Nas eventually fixes them when he gets around to it. We play for a few months, form consensus opinions on their state and then complain some more. It's kind of how the tweaking of the server goes when the person running it doesn't really want any specific input, and no one has a definitive answer about how things were coded originally... and only one person has a definitive answer on how it's coded currently.

I'm sorry if you have a shitty memory? I'm not sure what that has to do with things. Many other people played BLM for literally years of their life, and it's pretty easy to find damage numbers from the era we're aiming for. It's not as hard as you're making it out to be.

Why don't you log off and just believe everyone is holding the L in the thread that you were proven, almost, immediately wrong by Nas.

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So your eyes just glaze over Nabusto's posts?

No, I take it was as much salt as I take any of Nabutso's posts.

You (and Nab kind of encouraged it, though never really agreed with you) said that Nas was obviously waiting for hard testing to tweak BLM again. We all said that obviously that isn't true, because that has literally never been true a single time before ever.

You spent 15 pages telling us that we were wrong. Nas then definitively said that isn't true, and the changes are coming in the coming weeks. You now pretend that you didn't originally mean what you said, and Nab suggested that intuition isn't evidence which is well... false? Intuition is plenty of evidence that something is broken, which is all we were saying. If we were asked to help code the changes, or help him determine what things should be changed.. Obviously intuition wouldn't be enough. We'd all spend countless hours testing. Unfortunately, Nas has no interest in that input.... so intuition was all we really needed for the level of detail that is required from the players. BLM is definitively broken.. Nas realizes that and will attempt to fix it.

He knows where to find many people if he suddenly has the urge to care about our input. Unfortunately, in that same Q&A he made it rather clear that he doesn't anticipate accepting help from others anytime soon either... so we'll believe him and just complain about things that are broken, and let him place them on his roadmap for the server and work on them when he can.

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My first post was hyperbolic and clearly incorrect - Nasomi had no intention of halting progress simply because the community hadn't produced hard evidence of anything. So that specific claim of mine is incorrect, and you know that it's the only flaw in my greater argument, which is why you're so strangely focused on it. As a sidenote - this piece isn't even really an argument of mine so much as a call to action. It doesn't matter if it's true or not (the reason why is below, and it may shock you)



I've spent far less than 15 pages. I average like 2 or 3 posts a page (admittedly a claim I'm making without counting). More worrying is everyone else beside Natsubo has spent those 15 pages claiming they're right. And, see, here's the key. The burden of proof rests with the people who are claiming they are right. I don't need to prove anything, and frankly I don't intend to prove anything. My entire point has been and continues to be that collecting data can only help further your aim - if BLM is really and truly under-powered for the era, obviously an era-appropriate server would want to buff them. But by how much? No one knows. There has been disagreement in this very thread about how much a buff is needed to BLM, with some insisting that low numbers should be impossible in certain situations and others feeling it's mostly correct already. What if Nasomi sides with the latter group? You're just gonna come back out here and whine and whine and whine and never even attempt to prove your case.



As stated above (because I couldn't cleanly roll this quote into the other one), there doesn't seem to be consensus among the server that BLM is broken. There's consensus that it feels weak, but maybe that's just because everyone is still coming off of the overtuned BLM high, and it's messing with your perception of how BLM actually was. Even if we take it as true that BLM is underpowered, again I point to the fact that in this very thread there is disagreement with how much that is. You could not buff BLM in such a way to satisfy all the complaints in this thread. So who's word do we trust? Do you want to leave balance decisions to a popularity contest?



From the stories Nas told about his characters Pepsi, Coke, and Sprite, I'd put forward the reason he doesn't want to ask for help is that the community has a history of lying to him to reap in-game rewards. So your oh-so-innocent plea falls flat on its face. Especially since you yourself proved you're not above falsifying a spreadsheet as a """"joke"""".



So if your arguement is that Nas doesn't give a single heck what the forums say and he'll just do whatever... why are you posting? Why does this thread exist? If your point is that there is no point in discussing it because Nas is a mysterious, unknowable entity who's whims are capricious as the wind... what are you doing here for 15 pages? Like... is this REALLY the point you're trying to get across? Please correct me if I've made a mistake.

you know what? consider it a new year's resolution to not feed obvious trolls.


you're right. we should all spend hours to make you happy. we'll get right on it, and nas should wait for us to fix the game until the players tell the dev how to fix it.

i'll take the l

thanks for showing me the light. have a blessed day on nas, if you even play here.

edit: i made this post before I actually read your useless one. LMAO @ the part about my spreadsheet. You've made countless mistakes, and we've corrected them countless times. Please don't ask us to do it like that's the first time. Nas seems interested in learning from the players when things are broken... not so much interest in how we'd fix them.

As for my not-so-innocent plea about Nas being lied to, and people keeping info from him, again.. I get that you're new here, but given recent events.. that is just wildy ironic considering who you're having this conversation with. Stop using me as a proxy for everything you've heard about our end-game community. Not everyone is the same, and it discredits everything else you say when you try to use that argument without having any idea who I am.

You can have the last word you desperately seek. I only bumped the thread because Nas very clearly proved the entire basis of your stance completely wrong, in the exact manner he would that we all predicted. That was, somehow, lost on you though and you just doubled-down in the face of being wrong. You'll do great here.

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Believe it or not, I'm not a troll. Everything I type here is with the utmost sincerity. I'm a real player on this server, just like you.


Nasomi is not a developer in the same way Square Enix was a developer - Nasomi is a hobbiest who is trying his hardest to perfect his passion project. He has a lot on his plate, and anything you can do to contribute will make his job that much easier.

You keep repeating this idea that even if you put hard work into improving the server, there may not be any ultimate reward for it. Your effort could be deemed meaningless and your response to that thought is to simply give up. There wouldn't be a server if everyone thought that way because Nasomi also operates with no guarantee for gratification. Given how detestable the community here seems to be, I'm frankly shocked he's managed to endure this long. I suppose cutting himself off from the community and operating only through the filter of Nabutso has helped his motivation, which is good!



I never suggested anyone even attempt to draw a conclusion from any data gathered. These are your words, not mine. Having a wealth of data about how the live-server conditions compare to era (without being editorialized) can only help Nas more quickly achieve his goals.



I never accused you of lying to anyone, only that you fit a pattern of players showing contempt for actual effort and fact finding, opting instead for personal satisfaction - your joke, other's exploits. But were Nasomi to announce a testing program as you propose (such that dozens of players will drop everything and put in countless hours), these past interactions are to be considered. Surely you understand the fundamental difference of one player going out of their way - unprompted - to gather accurate information and a slew of people who are only doing it because they feel that being prompted makes it worth their time. Like - if no one is willing to do it out of a sincere hope the server improves... then that's that, isn't it? Asking people to help only mobilizes those who wouldn't do it for the good of the server.



I like that you talk about me between my posts.

Reading these last few exchanges is bringing back memories of Pchan... even with all that data getting generated that ultimately led to better understanding of the system (and eventually the betterment of the community at large)--the toxicity levels continually spiked off the charts.

The point is, sometimes it is best for the more definitive testing to be conducted in house... where the environment can be more tightly controlled, and potentially detracting biases can be removed from the equation. Which is kinda what is going on here.

Nas didn't NEED us to poll data for him to show him MACC is wonky. He knew he pulled it back... May have already known it was off-kilter, but just hasn't gotten back around to it. Who knows? We aren't inside his head.

But I can speak from my own experiences when I worked in IT... you would be surprised just how many things the developers KNOW are off but shelve them to work on more pressing issues--and sometimes little things just fall through the cracks. IDK how many times I got a trouble ticket, went to the dev team after I spent hours sifting code, flagging alerts, verifying the complaint, went to the dev team, and someone piped up that they knew about it and had a patch sort of in the works already, just hadn't compiled it yet... or at least had a temp work around for it already.

And yes... Nas is the "developer" of THIS iteration. Those comparisons to SE just.... Sorry, but those passages just struck a chord.

Yes, there is a foundation he is building from, but he is developing his own code on top of it (in some cases replacing it). I don't think you meant any disrespect in your comments, but please do not trivialize his efforts like that. His credentials, his skill, his knowledge, his time spent developing his vision for this project... yes, he IS the developer. Make NO mistake about this... HE knows what we were concerned about, may even already have some plans in mind as well. I may be new here, but I am NOT new to the processes typically in play. As had been mentioned, if he truly wants data, he knows how to either find it, generate it himself, or get it through others.

Anyhoo... the thread was there to get Nas to take a look at what is going on with MACC. He has committed to that, and already planning changes.

That was all that was needed, so please just leave it be for heavens sake and just close the thread.