RAIST5150 wrote:
That is the problem... talking abiut a subjective and/or objective view of targetting a minimum price for an item with no historical data to look at here. A means to blindly determine what you would be willing to pay, and the minimum you could reasonably expect to pay. To objectively find a starting point, would you not want to look at actual data? That is only available at the retail level, but you would likely need to adjust it somehow to be used as an estimation. But it CAN be used as a guide when there is no actual data to look at here. I didn't need to put up a post to ask for an estimate, I was able to form an estimate by simply comparing histories between the two platforms. Compare the numbers, spot the trend, and then ask yourself... "in light of this info, how much should I expect to pay, and how much would I be willing to pay?".
Objectively, I demonstrated how it could be indexed to around 15m. People reported paying within 3m of that--both up and down. Subjectively, someone else stated 25m. But from an objective standpoint, based on the available data presented, 15m would be a reasonable expectation to start from, as evidenced by what people actually posted.
And it isn't exactly a one-off thing either. Objectively, following the same approach, Hachiman sune-ate +1 would objectively estimate out to 4-5m. They are in the bazaar listing for 3m. Note there is actually a retail purchase logged from 2010 for 4m on one server. In this case, albeit a rare one, the retail data actually points to current pricing here.
To say looking at the retail data is flat out irrelevant is not exactly correct.
Sure, at the face values from 2018/2019 transactions is likely to be off-kilter. But you can use it as an index to estimate a starting point, to temper the expectations of pricing, or gauge the value of a price being offered for rare items that would have a long time frame for their history because of how rarely they sold.
Remember, this is about items that have no historical data to look at here, so you are going into it blindly except for what we can discern of the value historically by considering other means like our memories of retail, and trying to frame it within the context of this platform. That is in large part how some of these prices are being set in the first place... the memory of what was paid in the past is largely influencing the decision now, some even stated as such in their posts in this thread.
If you dig through historical retail data, and do a deeper comparison to what you are actually looking at across both platforms, you may actually find data that supports pricing trends in the here and now. Once you can spot that and form a means of indexing price a to price b, than you can use that as a starting point for the unknown.
The difference is you aren't relying on a recollection of what you would have paid in 200x and trying to apply that to here... instead you are trying to find a way to correlate actual historical data to frame a price range for here. If used properly, that historical data can actuay be quite helpful.
In the case of those sune-ate, objectively speaking, 3m looks like a good buy on paper. As to the subjective view of that pricing, that is up to the individual... which again begs the question... after looking at available data, how much would you be willing/expect to pay?
It is a difference between doing a little research yourself to form your own opinion versus simply going along with what he said/she said, which sometimes leads to wierd inflation/deflation issues.
You're dumb for diving this deep into this.
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