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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:51 pm 
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We need elaboration Nabutso, you cannot leave us hanging here.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:03 pm 
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That's all there is to it. I won't talk shit, but I did mention it because it's relevant. If you have friends who you play with often, you don't need 2 characters. If you often find yourself working alone and would appreciate a 2nd character, you typically go for that. I've seen the LS convos Azurewrath has had since I was kicked and his attitude is greatly anti-fun and I expect he would have a hard time meeting like-minded people who he can play with.

On the other hand, my brother who started playing recently has had me as a resource for any quest help etc he's needed. I don't PL him, but I give him advice on where to EXP and what's important. He hasn't made -any- friends in-game yet (lv 54...) but would never dualbox because he thinks it's not fun and he has someone who can play with him already. His mindset about dualboxing isn't that it gives people an advantage, but just that some people want to play 2 characters because they can.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:04 pm 
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Jesus hecking Christ

That is all


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:07 pm 
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I value quality of life and I like a leisurely experience when I'm playing, generally. Because of that, dualboxing is not appealing to me. It's a quality of life thing where I think I get more value out of what I enjoy rather than min/maxing my time to get as much loot/xp as possible.

So if people wanted to get hecked up on jolt cola and go cross-eyed trying to keep up with 10 characters, I really couldn't give a shit. I'm still just going to do what I like. This whole discussion is about someone who cares way too much about what other people do and is reminiscent of busybody nanny state-loving, Tipper Gore-esque pearl clutchers who want to limit other people based on their perceived morals or preferences.

If you can't make money here, it's your fault and no one else's. We don't care about your ineptitude and envy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:35 pm 
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Azurewrath wrote:
Okay so basically what most of you are saying is you like the advantage and if anything was changed, the people who sit on this game all day would throw a another ZNM tantrum and leave, Mkay, let's switch up the 'discussion' then.

Quote this post only if you answer the following questions, please

1. Do you think dual boxing is fair, and is it within the rules of the server?
2. Do you think 10 boxing is fair, and is it within the rules of the server?

If you answered yes to 1 and no to 2, why no to 2? Because it gives you an unfair advantage? If so, dual boxing absolutely gives an unfair advantage as well, but to a lesser degree than 10-boxing :)

Still unfair advantage.

There's people sitting in treasure chest zones on an alt picking a lock an hour while they xp on their main. They would never actually normally sit in that zone all day every day, but they can because it's zero effort and they can still progress. FFXI was designed to make you make choices on what you want to spend your time on, and this takes that away.

And this server is a different game, yes, but that doesn't mean everything is right. How about the low level player trying to make money off those chests, but can't because the low effort chest poppers tank the price of everything inside due to massive supply?

As a high level player, it's nice to dual box and it's efficient and you make a lot more money than you should be able to, but is that selfishness worth it or fair for the new players who have much less opportunities on Nasomi? Put your greed and selfishness aside and have an actual discussion on the matter for a moment


Holy shit, does this stuff sound like it makes sense when you're typing it out?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:11 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
That's all there is to it. I won't talk shit, but I did mention it because it's relevant. If you have friends who you play with often, you don't need 2 characters. If you often find yourself working alone and would appreciate a 2nd character, you typically go for that. I've seen the LS convos Azurewrath has had since I was kicked and his attitude is greatly anti-fun and I expect he would have a hard time meeting like-minded people who he can play with.

On the other hand, my brother who started playing recently has had me as a resource for any quest help etc he's needed. I don't PL him, but I give him advice on where to EXP and what's important. He hasn't made -any- friends in-game yet (lv 54...) but would never dualbox because he thinks it's not fun and he has someone who can play with him already. His mindset about dualboxing isn't that it gives people an advantage, but just that some people want to play 2 characters because they can.



please dear god have your brother send me a /tell

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:55 pm 
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No, because that was exceptionally rare unless you were involved in RMT in retail, and is not within the rules here.

It's not within the rules because it's unfair. Simple.

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An advantage, perhaps, but not an unfair one, since anyone is allowed to dualbox.

An advantage that other players do not inherintly have is an unfair advantage. You can cast the same spell at the same time with no recast, you can pop 2 chests that have an hour delay on them that was put into place for balance, you can claim 2 mobs at once, you can fish while exping, which is normally impossible due to economic reasons, you can sit there with 2 laptops and have double NM claim range, you can do plenty of things that are an unfair advantage. Are there uses to dual boxing that aren't unfair? Of course, plenty. Are there things that are unfair? Absolutely.

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You can do this too. I choose not to, you choose not to, and yet somehow only one of us is successful and not complaining.

Yeah, I could do that. Imagine a server where there was a dual box at every single mining point, chest point, farming mob spawn point in the game, would that be a fun server? Would it have no impact on the economy? No. Is the problem anywhere near that bad? No. But in all these examples, if you take it and bump it to the extreme, it shows that it is in fact unfair.

I could do that, yes, but the point of this thread is that it's a problem, and to do i myself wouldn't help the problem. If Nas changed the rules so botting and hacking was allowed, would you defend it to the end of the world like you are now? Probably not, because it' would be stupid. just like this is stupid.


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"Chest poppers" in this sense don't exist and wouldn't for very long precisely because of what you just mentioned. The fact that you think keeping a char somewhere opening treasure chests is the big key to the 'dualbox unfair advantage' shows exactly how unaware and ignorant you are of how to succeed in FFXI.

I'm well aware of how to succeed in FFXI. You are not playing FFXI and you haven't been playing it for a while. You're playing a shell that looks like FFXI where the rules are rewritten so you can be a king in a game you used to play when you were a kid. Just like everyone's been saying this whole thread, this isn't FFXI, this is Nasomi

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It's nice. That's it. It's also nice not having to worry about gearing and EXPing 2 characters. "nice" doesn't mean "unfair advantage".

No, but read my first quoted response and tell me that's 100% fair and within the parameters SE set for one character to do.

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The majority of people arguing with you here don't dualbox

Gonna stop you right there. LOL. Go through this thread tell me how many of these people don't dual box, go


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Meanwhile, the LS you're in kicked me for kicking someone who had a pearl for <24 hours who:
1. Had to find a new shell because their leader got banned for the 3rd time for breaking the rules
2. Tried to send nudes to get that person unjailed
3. Expressed that they would harass me in the linkshell

Consider having better friends. Then you may not see the need to dualbox. The type that kick someone who's been there for a year because they kicked a girl are not going to be very helpful in the long run.


LOL okay, so many things wrong with this. Are you serious, man?

I got invited to this shell the day I started because the leader recognized my name from when I used to play on Fairy, ironically as you insulted me earlier in your post, because of how successful I was on that server(without dual boxing ;)). There's plenty of people in this shell that are incredibly nice and helpful and I've made plenty of friends in here. That's the extent of it.

Now you, in an authoritative position coming in here and airing your dirty laundry talking shit about personal matters that probably shouldn't be disclosed is not only irresponsible, but it shows that someone like you should not have the power that you do on here.

It was mentioned in another thread that Nas doesn't publish the names of those who are banned, but here you are tossing everything out like that because you're bitter you got kicked from a linkshell for being annoying or whatever. Insane.

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If you often find yourself working alone and would appreciate a 2nd character, you typically go for that.

That's not FFXI. And you keep basically saying I have no friends and if I did, I wouldn't need to dual box, then you go ahead and say people dual box because they have no friends. I'm confused.

Some people don't have time and don't wanna farm for gil, so they typically go buy it from RMT. With your logic, this is okay too.

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I've seen the LS convos Azurewrath has had since I was kicked and his attitude is greatly anti-fun and I expect he would have a hard time meeting like-minded people who he can play with.

It's nice for you to say you expect that, but I'm certain that if you talked to majority of the people who I interacted with, they'd have nothing but fantastic things to say about me, but the judgment because I disagree with you on something is real appreciated. ;)

Wow, isn't looking at LS convos from an LS you were booted from somewhat a breach in privacy? Unethical at best? Should probably not do that. Hope you're not skimming TODs and whatnot from them too, but with your behavior on Naschat and in your last post, I'd find that hard to believe. Should probably not do that.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:56 pm 
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Also if you're gonna get personal and sit here mentioning things that you 'heard,' I should also add that on your mission here to prove that dual boxing isn't "unfair," I feel like it's a little tough to believe the words of someone who apparently jumps into his friends Maat fights to help them out on 'fairness.' If I'm mistaken on that fact, I apologize.


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Dual boxing isn't unfair.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:40 pm 
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Azurewrath wrote:
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"Chest poppers" in this sense don't exist and wouldn't for very long precisely because of what you just mentioned. The fact that you think keeping a char somewhere opening treasure chests is the big key to the 'dualbox unfair advantage' shows exactly how unaware and ignorant you are of how to succeed in FFXI.

I'm well aware of how to succeed in FFXI. You are not playing FFXI and you haven't been playing it for a while. You're playing a shell that looks like FFXI where the rules are rewritten so you can be a king in a game you used to play when you were a kid. Just like everyone's been saying this whole thread, this isn't FFXI, this is Nasomi


You aren't aware of how to succeed in FFXI. Nobody, I REPEAT, NOBODY is sitting at chests in low level zones picking them every hour. I used to farm then when I was actually level 15-20 on both my characters in KRT and since then I have never once seen someone sitting at a coffer or treasure chest afk waiting for the cooldown. Just because you push things to the extreme in your mind, doesn't mean Nasomi will allow stuff like that to occur.

Again, we'll go back to something I said early on in this thread.

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SquareEnix never had a rule that you couldn't multibox. Nasomi doesn't have(never had) a rule against 2boxing but more than that is no bueno.


Is it really that hard for you to understand?

Lastly, to the question you asked a couple pages ago. If someone is 2boxing, I don't think that's unfair. If someone was allowed to be 10boxing, I wouldn't consider that unfair. You keep moving the goalposts and creating strawmen.


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people like this need to start being fined gil/exp for making the rest of us put up with them


I'm in favor of this.

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