It's so hard to get past the fact that, after 16 pages, Azurewrath STILL believes dualboxers use two PCs and that that would help them camp NMs lmfao

i agree with Dimitri.

It's so extremely clear that Azurawrath has no idea what he's talking about, or the reality of dualboxers on Nasomi, and he still believes IT is the reason he sucks so bad. Unreal.

And no, I don't have an alt leveled.. I'm just not an idiot who doesn't understand the way words work, or what meanings they convey.

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One character? It's one person. One person could control 10 characters in FFXI in the retail days. That's within SE's "parameters". But that isn't what matters. Nasomi is in the spirit of retail, where people didn't always dualbox. Most people here still don't, regardless of it being free to do so.


You're naive to think I have any "power" at all.


I published no names. I am not bitter, it was an example to show why you have the attitude you do.


You completely misunderstand me. You're angry that people have the ability to play within the rules and do stuff you don't -want- to do, but you wouldn't -need- to dualbox and wouldn't -feel- the way you do about dualboxing if you didn't think it gave you an advantage.

Buying gil is AGAINST THE RULES. Just like controlling 10 characters. You can't do them. BORROWING GIL from your FRIENDS is more akin to dualboxing in this comparison, and guess what, friends tossing friends gil isn't against the rules but I'm sure you'd consider it an "unfair advantage" over players without rich friends, right?


A breach of what privacy? I have NO GM/MOD/ETC ability. NONE. ZERO. People told me what was being said and showed me screenshots.

You are clueless.


.... wat

Are you saying I did that? I don't even have the ability to do that, so you're hearing unfiltered total BS about me and forming opinions. My suggestion: never believe a word you say from whoever told you such total BS as that. I've legit never heard a more untrue, totally impossible lie. I have no ability to warp anywhere (besides the normal WHM/BLM abilities), no ability to enter fights I shouldn't be in, etc. Zero. No special powers. I have player stuff only. I have no official position.

Heck, I haven't even been in a BCNM arena since my maat fight over a year ago.

What kind of crazy telephone game is being played here? Did someone say "nab helped me with my maat fight" after I showed them the video of me doing it on WHM and it get twisted into this ridiculous lie? How embarrassing for people to imagine in their heads that I'd ever do something like that. People are trying to believe the absolute worst about me, that's for sure, if that's the conclusion someone comes to after "nab helped me with my maat fight". Or was it giving people consumables and gil for the maat fights that made people come up with that "jumps into his friends maat fights" idea?

Seriously, I'm actually legit outraged that this type of gross misunderstanding can even exist.

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Don't let this guy get to you. Obviously he doesn't know SE rules or Nasomi rules. He knows that will get under your skin and he wants to do that. No one *should* believe you somehow warped into a bcnm fight and anyone who does believe it probably also believes that people who duel box have an unfair advantage

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1. Dual boxing is both fair and within the rules.
2. IF 10 boxing were within the rules, it would be fair, but it's not so it's not even a question.

I dual box, was relatively late to it, after about 50 something levels of my main, created a character to run as a thief to duo farm with. Do I have an advantage over someone with just a single character say for example, farming an area for drops? Yes. I can kill faster, have no downtime for heals as one character can take care of that and have more inventory space. Is it an unfair advantage? No. The simple reason being is every player is subject to the same rules, the same limitations on characters and the exact same jobs and equipment as everyone else. It's a matter of choice, if you choose not to use or acquire something that is available to everyone I'm pretty sure that invalidates any of talk of fairness, or lack thereof.

I don't particularly like dual boxing per say as a play style, flipping back and forth between characters isn't exactly fun (in my opinion), but it's useful and outside of parties I primarily bum around by myself. So it's nice just being able to travel around places and areas I generally wouldn't hang around solo. Would I have done the same thing "back in the day"? Sure, if I had the disposable income and the hardware to allow it.

Just because you take issue with it, doesn't mean it's actually an issue.

No it is not. On retail, you could only log into one character at a time. On one account. If it was within the rules, SE would allow you to log into 2 characters on one account. Why else wouldn't they? People got around this by paying for 2 accounts because SE has zero way of knowing if you're controlling 2 characters or if you're controlling one and someone else is sitting beside you controlling another. Plus, they don't mind because youre paying them double.

IF it was within the rules of what they wanted you to be able to do, you'd be able to log into 2 characters at once. Period.

Also, when FFXI came out, they didn't allow you to alt tab. I can't say if that's to prevent dual boxing, but I can't really think of any other reason.

ALSO, when FFXI came out, most computers couldn't run 2 instances of it. I remember my buddy had a Dell his parents bought for like 3000 dollars a few months before he got the game and that puppy could never run 2 instances of the game.

So was dual boxing even on SE's mind when they made the engine or game? Maybe? Maybe not? But players need to use windower(Which is against TOS) to dual box in the way Wolf keeps implying is the only way ANYbody dual boxes on the server.

Speaking of.



If I'm gonna dual box an NM you bet your ass I'm not gonna be alt tabbing, I'll just pull out my laptop and do it there, and anyone who doesn't is a total moron. Just because you don't think anybody does it the smart way because you don't do it the smart way doesn't mean people aren't doing it the smart way. You're just not smart, Wolf, and you've proven that quite a few times in here and your post history



You aired a bunch of dirty laundry, mentioned it's the LS i'm in, talked about the leader, mentioned it's the LS you used to be in. You might as well have mentioned names. PS. You say I need to get better friends, but you were in that LS long before I ever played this server. Sounds like you're bitter you got kicked. Must suck getting sucked up to all day then having some people boot ya for being a dink.


Okay, yeah, people randomly sent you messages and screenshots about some low level person you don't know being 'un-fun' in LS. Okay lmfao Nabutso. You're about as believable as that person who bought gil in that other thread was.


You guys keep going back to this and ignoring the thing I've said multiple times was the point of this thread. Yes, dual boxing is allowed in the rules, it was talked about long ago when the server population was basically nothing. But the situation has changed, and it shouldn't be part of the rules in the way it is. Dual boxed characters should be limited in levels, unable to hold HELM items, unable to pop chest, claim NMs, etc. The rules SHOULD be relooked at and changed. Just because rules were looked at and deemed okay in the past doesn't mean that they're relevant TODAY. Look at the current state of the US and some of the laws in place. I won't get into that, but it's a pretty good parallel


Alright I believe ya.. lol. Just saying what I've heard multiple people say. Honestly with your stability on naschat it's probably best to not give you GM tools lol, my bad

Ready to have a discussion about possibly looking at the dual boxing rules, or still just gonna call me dumb and bad and plug your ears?

It was actually to stop 3rd party programs from being used to give an unfair advantage to players. Things like fleetool, claimbots, craftbots, etc.



Okay, now you're talking out of your ass. I had an HP computer that I had to go buy a Radeon 9750(might have been 9250) from BestBuy to play FFXI. After I got a dedicated graphics card, I ran 2 instances of FFXI multiple times in years 2003-2005.



Then SE introduced their own windowed version of the game during ToAU which would allow you to run multiple instances, try again.




Nah bih, you dumb as a box of rocks. I'm not going to go in to the intricacies of dualboxing and how to do it but playing on 2 machines is definitely not the way.



Why is any of this pertinent to the discussion? Should also note I have people send me screenshots when they see me/my friends getting trash talked in other linkshells.

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Since the original point of this thread is/should be dead - I don't mind going off the rails a bit.

I can confirm this wholeheartedly.
I've played on two PCs two monitors. With all combinations of keyboards, controllers, and KVM switches.

A single machine is vastly superior for 99% of scenarios

Or, you know, it just didn't have a windowed option and FFXI crashes when minimized. That's not exactly out of the ordinary for a game developed in the late 90s.


Maybe not right on release, but FFXI is limited to 1 core only. We saw early dualcore CPUs show up around the same time as FFXI's glory days. The first PC I played FFXI on in 2005 was a dualcore (Pentium D, my Pentium 4 with no GPU couldn't run it and I played on PS2 until then). You could theoretically run 2 instances without being CPU limited.


So you say we shouldn't be able to dualbox because you should only be able to run 1 client per machine at a time, yet you show right here that the only way to be useful with the dualbox is to play it on another machine.. so what's the problem with running 2 instances on just 1 machine in that case?


If you see what I did as "being a dick", you just have no idea as to what the situation was, and based on your other assumptions, I'd say it's safe to say you don't know much about anything at all.


Yep. I sat there and watched the entire convo of you saying you don't want to play on a server where anything could be considered 'too easy'. You nitpicked to hell and back.


The rules DID used to be less stringent. They are already more harsh and more strongly enforced than they ever have been - TODAY.

And yes, if you want to get political, it's VERY similar to the laws in the US today - you're exactly like crazy people who want to take away everyone's guns citing that "times have changed" while ignoring that you've been getting concessions for years regarding that subject. There is a line that will not be crossed. People will not lose their characters.


A conversation about "common sense dualbox rules" I'm sure. No thanks. It's already exactly as it should be.

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"P.S." means post script, you used that in the middle of a giant paragraph. I don't think you know what post means. I don't think you know what dual boxing means. I don't think you know what anything means. I think you are an idiot. Most people here think you are an idiot. Most people here have stopped thinking that you are an idiot. Because you are an idiot. This is no longer up for debate and is not an opinion. You have given us enough evidence for us to come to that decision by ourselves. Congratulations idiot!

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