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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:34 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
No one knows who you are, so ad hominem isn't really much of an option.
This isn't a requirement for ad hominem. I understand your perspective. Feel free to move along if the subject no longer interests you.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:50 pm 
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locodoco wrote:
Seeing as how there's a ton of rare/ex clones (okote, e-bow, etc) that aren't in the game, why not toss them onto a OWNM?
I like this idea. Kind of like mini hnm's. I don't know much about them except what I'm reading but they seems tailored for certain jobs?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:20 pm 
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locodoco wrote:
Seeing as how there's a ton of rare/ex clones (okote, e-bow, etc) that aren't in the game, why not toss them onto a OWNM?


I prefer the OWNM dropping the non r/e ones. It's an incentive to do the content.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:08 pm 
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Definitely bored. Idk what you expect out of this. I’ll be in game making money off NMs while you sit here crying like a little girl.

TriggeredDevil, You want the items? Go buy em off the AH :) i’ll happily sell it to you since you’re incapable of learning NMs and getting the drops yourself.

NMs aren’t going to change, especially not for some whiney dude with just over a month on the server.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:23 pm 
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mello wrote:
Definitely bored. Idk what you expect out of this. I’ll be in game making money off NMs while you sit here crying like a little girl.

TriggeredDevil, You want the items? Go buy em off the AH i’ll happily sell it to you since you’re incapable of learning NMs and getting the drops yourself.

NMs aren’t going to change, especially not for some whiney dude with just over a month on the server.
Woah man, sic burn!


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:09 am 
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honestly bro. The building of Seals,beating the BCNM and taking a chance on the drop rate will probably go alot longer then camping LL and getting the sellable boots..... Btw on retail people still had tons of boots both rare/ex and the non. but you know what i never saw? A Brand new player with either of them most new characters who did have them were Secondary characters to someones main and you could tell it was a "alt" because they were always in better stuff then you at that level even tho they are "newly created character". Its the best thing about this server, when it comes to its gearing methods especially if you get lucky and you are just strolling by and get a lucky claim and they drop and you can sell or keep them.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:04 am 
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I'm shocked. 8 Pages and while there was some dangling toes over the line of "no you, i'm right because I say so" and not one person called out not having ra/ex was "era appropriate." I expected to see one post about that by now honestly. Then again it's sorta in era when looking at the Retail change announcement... and look at 2007 vs 2006.

The conditions for certain Notorious Monsters to appear, as well as certain treasure drops, have been adjusted in the following manner:

- The method for obtaining the items listed below has been adjusted.
The monsters that dropped these items now have a chance of dropping an EX/Rare item with the exact same attributes.

Fuma Kyahan/Speed Belt/Ochiudo's Kote/Strider Boots/Healing Staff/Eurytos' Bow/Cross-Counters

- The Notorious Monsters listed below now require a certain item to be traded in a certain location in order to appear.
[...]
- An item to replace the “Kraken Club” has been added to the treasure dropped by the “Lord of Onzozo.”

- Certain items obtained from the Notorious Monsters holding the “Virtues” in Lumoria will now drop with 100% probability.


Kudos to the talk of SE having to change it due to retail RMT and all the players and the raging hate for the RMT botting natures. Guilty of having many hate filled comments aimed at RMTs logging in and within seconds claiming LL/VE/Etc. that I was working to pop before I saw them appear. #StillNotOverIt

Everyone please do continue to remain civil by avoiding resorting to really rude language or calling someone stupid (or worse) and this post may last many pages longer.

TL;DR: What no era appropriate as-is comment by page 8? Agree or Disagree, just please don't resort to attacking someone and this post will remain.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:50 am 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
locodoco wrote:
Seeing as how there's a ton of rare/ex clones (okote, e-bow, etc) that aren't in the game, why not toss them onto a OWNM?


I prefer the OWNM dropping the non r/e ones. It's an incentive to do the content.


So it's an incentive to put the non-R/E items on OWNMs (custom content), but not an incentive to put the same items on BCNMs/KSNMs (official content)?

I really don't understand why OWNMs are still a thing when more than half of the BCNMs are finally working -- maybe not 100% 1:1, but they're THERE, especially when the main purpose of OWNMs were to be a temporary replacement for when BCNMs were still broken.

I also don't understand why Nasomi still chooses to keep them around, they're free items for groups and the economy who do can do them routinely, with no downsides (failing to kill them/wiping is not a downside) while BCNMs/KSNMs are a seal sink/dump, which is NEVER a bad thing, while also requiring teamwork. Can't do the BCNM/KSNM? Farm seals.

As a host or creator of the game, you want players to USE their resources, not hoard them. You want to find a way for players to sink their resources on. As a server progresses and ages, this becomes more problematic, especially if these resources have been accumulated to very high amounts.

Maybe if OWNMs were finally removed, players could finally be forced to do BCNMs/KSNMs and see which ones work and are still broken, so they can complain about it and get it fixed.

Also, maybe fix NMs to actually be lottery with actual random time variables or fix them to have proper spawn conditions instead of the current, predictable, mechanics that were just pulled from a certain site as a base. Some NMs are timed pops when they shouldn't be.

Example: For the longest time on this server, Leaping Lizzy almost always respawns 1 hour after its death, the FFXI wiki lists it as early as 5 minutes to "several hours" -- because we don't know what "several hours" means, you can set its window for respawn between 5 minutes to maybe 3 hours. Once the time has been randomly chosen and after that alloted time has passed, only now it can respawn after killing PHs. Do it on ALL appropriate NMs.

We need LESS standalone custom content with official content and more custom content added to official content. How about putting the Goblin Bag 75/80 items to BCNMs/KSNMs instead of the rumored OWNMs?

White Coney is the only good idea that's ever come to this server, new "boss" NM to camp and compete over that drops out of era content at reasonable drop rates. If it still awards 1 merit and 50K to the alliance per kill, that should be removed entirely. Maybe fix the actual White and Black Coney to spawn while you're at it.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:03 am 
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Central wrote:
So it's an incentive to put the non-R/E items on OWNMs (custom content), but not an incentive to put the same items on BCNMs/KSNMs (official content)?
This is pure poetry....but how come they haven't tried to gouge your eyes out yet? lol


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:25 am 
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I fully agree with the OP. Rare/Ex versions should drop from the Notorious Monsters while the sellable versions can be gotten in BCNMs, just like retail. I don't care about whats more competitive or not. I feel its more of an accomplishment camping a NM finally getting a claim AND getting the drop as well. Not spam running easy BCNMs and opening the crate and/or spam fishing and buying the item. But that may just be me...….


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