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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:37 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
everytime Deft quotes me it's an exhilarating game of trying to guess if he agreed with me or called me autistic


You're a mixed bag.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:40 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
everytime Deft quotes me it's an exhilarating game of trying to guess if he agreed with me or called me autistic


You're a mixed bag.



we've been on a roll lately.

/smile

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:52 pm 
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Therin wrote:
I have trouble with reading comprehension.


This is what I've gathered from your posts. You say you were in TG, but you can't understand the point that some jobs are better for certain activities than others? I find that really hard to believe.


This is hilarious.

From my post that you quoted:

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Of course every job has specific use cases where it is or isn't better than another job (I admit from 41-50 I would choose a RDM over a WHM if I had a PLD tank, for example, solely due to the importance of Refresh).


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It's fine to make a specific case for something because we all know there are situations where X is preferred to Y, but people are legitimately getting discouraged from leveling certain jobs because of what is posted here.


Looks like you're the one that doesn't bother to read. I bolded it for you in case you needed help.

Once again and hopefully for the last time, my point isn't that there aren't specific use cases for RDM over WHM but that the generalization that it is "worse for EXP" is an over-simplification of the point and is frankly damaging to the server. People read it, take it as gospel, and choose to level a different job because of what some random person said on the forum. At least Harley gave a specific example (BRD not close enough to Dispel due to pulling) that COULD be an issue, even if it's one I've never experienced I can at least admit that it's plausible that EXP could be slowed down or a chain broken due to not having a RDM in that specific scenario.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:57 pm 
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Therin wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Therin wrote:
I have trouble with reading comprehension.


This is what I've gathered from your posts. You say you were in TG, but you can't understand the point that some jobs are better for certain activities than others? I find that really hard to believe.


This is hilarious.

From my post that you quoted:

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Of course every job has specific use cases where it is or isn't better than another job (I admit from 41-50 I would choose a RDM over a WHM if I had a PLD tank, for example, solely due to the importance of Refresh).


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It's fine to make a specific case for something because we all know there are situations where X is preferred to Y, but people are legitimately getting discouraged from leveling certain jobs because of what is posted here.


Looks like you're the one that doesn't bother to read. I bolded it for you in case you needed help.


Nah my reading is fine, you're cherry picking situations while everyone else is speaking in general terms. Then when we say, that's incorrect, you double down and produce more cherry picked situations.

Try again.

Edit: About the discouraging others from playing jobs. I don't give a damn what job someone chooses to play and why they do so. I'm answering questions(I.E.Can you give me a reason as to why BLM and especially WHM will be slower leveling?) posted on here to the best of my ability. Sorry I don't go through and list the entirety of pros and cons for each job and each individual situation where one outshines the other. I prefer to speak in generalities that are true 95%+ of the time in the situations I mention.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:37 pm 
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I think people should know going into job selection if their job sucks at certain things, especially if that certain thing is XP'ing. Other jobs are great at XP'ing and fairly shitty at most content at 75 (Great sword DRK comes to mind :)).. It's how the game goes.

What I think is unfair is someone reading Therin's post and saying "I'm going to change everyone's mind, Therin's right!" and rolls WHM.. and then finds out that it sucks to fucking XP, and wishes someone had warned them that RDM is better for xp'ing with the meleeburn strategy that is used mostly.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:20 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
rolls WHM.. and then finds out that it sucks to fucking XP, and wishes someone had warned them that RDM is better


For any new players reading this... The first part about whm sucks for exp is so far removed from reality. Yes you are hearing from others here saying that's wrong, it's the vocal minority with bad perception of "This is best, everything else sucks"

Second part is accurate in that RDM is usually an easier sell in parties for multiple reason. Just because that is the case doesn't make WHM bad.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:41 pm 
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Niloc wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
rolls WHM.. and then finds out that it sucks to fucking XP, and wishes someone had warned them that RDM is better


For any new players reading this... The first part about whm sucks for exp is so far removed from reality. Yes you are hearing from others here saying that's wrong, it's the vocal minority with bad perception of "This is best, everything else sucks"

Second part is accurate in that RDM is usually an easier sell in parties for multiple reason. Just because that is the case doesn't make WHM bad.


I love when people disagree and then literally go on to state why it’s true. WHM doesn’t suck for XP like BLM does, but the actual experience of XP’ing WHM? Yeah that sucks. Bad. For the exact reason you go on to state. A party leader only needs 5 more people, and only one of those spots is gonna be a RDM or WHM generally... and, again as you said, RDM is better and there’s not exactly a shortage really.

WHM is wildly useful later in the game. It’s not really all that needed to XP. It’s the reality of the meta we have. I apologize if that hurts your feelings.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:47 pm 
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That escalated quickly!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:36 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
I love when people disagree and then literally go on to state why it’s true.


I didn't? You think that by me saying RDM is better that makes WHM bad which is the thing I'm exactly arguing against. You are saying your opinion is that WHM exp is bad and horrible experience. I'm disagreeing with you saying it isn't. Not much to go from there but you think me disagreeing with you is somehow "hurting feelings". Does everyone who disagree with you in life feel like a personal attack?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:38 pm 
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Niloc wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
I love when people disagree and then literally go on to state why it’s true.


I didn't? You think that by me saying RDM is better that makes WHM bad which is the thing I'm exactly arguing against. You are saying your opinion is that WHM exp is bad and horrible experience. I'm disagreeing with you saying it isn't. Not much to go from there but you think me disagreeing with you is somehow "hurting feelings". Does everyone who disagree with you in life feel like a personal attack?



If you only need one or the other... and one is better... the other is?????

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