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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:49 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
If you're swapping to -enmity gear but not taking advantage of the distance, you're doing it wrong. This isn't an "or". It's an "and". Do both.

I did not lie. This is NOT SE's change. That's an indisputable fact. Nor is it a nerf if you just get your head out of your butt and actually try to play with the changes instead of playing the same way you did before while ignoring the changes. You have the opportunity to but don't want to.

If that's your stance, that you don't want to and shouldn't need to adjust how you play, then I simply disagree. There will be changes that make people have to play differently in the future, too.


After 40 pages, I think we’ve all just realized Nab didn’t think it was a nerf because he literally has no clue how RNG is played in FFXI or the reasons behind it.

That’s fine, he doesn’t have to, but it’s horrific that he feels the need to continue to defend something he doesn’t understand and what that says about his role here.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:53 pm 
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biet1234 wrote:
almost 40 pages of "boohoo my job got weaker wahhhhh" i mean come on every game gets balance/gameplay updates. free game no bitching


Maybe you should go back and actually read what was said, no said said anything about 'Job weaker.' They said this:

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Partied in Qufim as Ranger last night. I did not notice a significant increase in damage using a great bow at any distance while trying to figure out the sweet spot. The worst part was I kept pulling the mob away from my party members. It was not fun, my party members were a bit annoyed it kept running away from them (especially the SA Thief) and ultimately we didn't end up partying too long.

@Nas pretty much the entire player base doesn't like this update can we please roll it back?


Huh...who would've guessed that these 'non-SE changes' would do the exact same thing to ranger they did in 2006 in spite of having different numbers and distance requirements, and that the people who played back then could accurately guess without having to play test the changes that this is exactly how things would end up? I'm pretty sure Kazen called this right down to the letter within the first 4 or 5 pages.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:28 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
Fidelcashflow wrote:
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Is this SE's nerf? No? Then no, I didn't lie about it.


Yeah, it was SE's nerf, just because the numbers are switched around you feel it's any different, it isn't. But instead of us trying to convince you, why don't you convince us? Why don't you go gather 250 pages of spreadsheet data and prove to us that it's an overall buff, or at the very least not a nerf? Until then I'm convinced you are just preaching because you can't tolerate being told you are wrong.

I'm in this thread begging for people to gather data and present it to nas because if it doesn't match what he wants it to be, then it's gonna be changed. It's in your best interest to get the changes you want, I am not gonna go and gather all the data for you, especially since you don't seem to want to believe me anyway, what's the point?

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Nabutso keep fighting the player base... its really not a good idea... this update was pure shit.. the sneak and invis nerf was shit... the Range buff/nerf was shit... OWNM crashes still exist... happened last night in garliage citadel... This whole update was shit... Does nasomi really want to drive people from this server? cause honestly he is doing a pretty good job with this update... just saying... Look at the big picture... he opened a huge can of worms... Also he did lie to player base... thats bad bro...

Why didn't anyone report the crash in Garlaige? The sneak/invis "nerf" was a bug fix.


You've literally told me previously that the only way to gather data is to basically manually sit and read through chat logs in game and record this because you cant export chatlogs. Why is this the player's responsibility? That's a huge ask.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:26 pm 
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I recorded over 10k synths manually to prove that day/moon/direction didn't apply anymore, and I did that because people were adamant that it still did, or were trying to be skeptical about it (like Pepsi aka nas).

Why is recording data seen as so difficult? The heck?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:38 pm 
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Can confirm - Partied as RNG in Crawlers Nest. Kept pulling hate trying to find sweet spot. Party got annoyed. We stopped partying. At one point I decided to remove a lot of my gear to do LESS damage. That was dumb. What -enmity gear do I have at 35-45? I doubt it would have even made a difference. Guess I DONT want that bow come Monday.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:04 pm 
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Nabutso wrote:
I recorded over 10k synths manually to prove that day/moon/direction didn't apply anymore, and I did that because people were adamant that it still did, or were trying to be skeptical about it (like Pepsi aka nas).

Why is recording data seen as so difficult? The heck?



Recording synth data and battle data seems to be quite the difference. With synth data you can basically just look at your inventory and see the result, dont you? With battle data you have to look at each hit, miss etc.
Mind sharing your data from those 10k synths?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:15 pm 
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yea tis updated pretty much make /Rng seem like a fking joke
and wa about pvp yea someone gonne stand around and wait for u to find a sweet spot ;)
in exp pt Rng is fine just get a good tank, yea chasing the mob is not funs


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:31 pm 
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Partied in Yuhtunga this morning. 8-10 Yalms regular arrows were doing 47-50 damage. Piercing Arrow? 42 damage. Flaming Arrow? 44 Damage. Why are my weaponskills doing LESS damage? Where is this 20% buff for standing in the sweet spot?

Continually pulling hate, party is getting pissed. Lvl 27 I have no -enmity abilities, I am doing significantly less damage and my party is pissed off at me, this sucks.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:53 pm 
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Kenzo wrote:
Can confirm - Partied as RNG in Crawlers Nest. Kept pulling hate trying to find sweet spot. Party got annoyed. We stopped partying. At one point I decided to remove a lot of my gear to do LESS damage. That was dumb. What -enmity gear do I have at 35-45? I doubt it would have even made a difference. Guess I DONT want that bow come Monday.


-Emnity Gear for 35-45

Tracker's Bow or (+1 version) level 45 [Not sure if this is craftable as 0 have ever been on AH] -1 or -2
Republican Silver Medal level 40 [Quest] -1
Tamas Ring (Rofl) Level 30 [Yay Mage ring from CoP, but hey -3 is nice]
Chary Earring level 40 [Again not sure if this is in here because non on AH and its just RARE] -1

So Lowest would be -4 with the highest being -7 possible depending on what is actually available on Nasomi. But Tamas Ring isn't exactly easy or quick to get especially if RNG is one of your earlier jobs...Most the of easy enmity gear comes from level 50's Crow Set.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:16 pm 
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Benzula wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
Can confirm - Partied as RNG in Crawlers Nest. Kept pulling hate trying to find sweet spot. Party got annoyed. We stopped partying. At one point I decided to remove a lot of my gear to do LESS damage. That was dumb. What -enmity gear do I have at 35-45? I doubt it would have even made a difference. Guess I DONT want that bow come Monday.


-Emnity Gear for 35-45

Tracker's Bow or (+1 version) level 45 [Not sure if this is craftable as 0 have ever been on AH] -1 or -2
Republican Silver Medal level 40 [Quest] -1
Tamas Ring (Rofl) Level 30 [Yay Mage ring from CoP, but hey -3 is nice]
Chary Earring level 40 [Again not sure if this is in here because non on AH and its just RARE] -1

So Lowest would be -4 with the highest being -7 possible depending on what is actually available on Nasomi. But Tamas Ring isn't exactly easy or quick to get especially if RNG is one of your earlier jobs...Most the of easy enmity gear comes from level 50's Crow Set.


yeah crow set is a win win , u will miss more and u will do less dmg thanks to all those slots on -enmity gear instead of dmg / acc, and of course u have tons of -enmity

or u can play rng like a BLM and dont start fighting until mob is at 60% hp , party will love u for that :D


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