chocoboy is the literal personification of "DUDE WEED LMAO" so idk if anything he says can be taken seriously

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I've never 6-manned bubu aside from once for the win. As for the market, it's economics. We can all collaborate and share sales at 50% profit margin, or we can have a knife fight in a phone booth until we're stuck sharing sales at 5%. I opened doors of communication to all active sellers when I hit 106, nobody aside from Camper replied at all--including yourself.

I apologize for the bubu comments then. Everytime you entered the staff market, you raised the price on ore and undercut the price on staves. You had a chance to match prices in bazaars, but chose not to. After you had started a price war, you then began offering the miners more than the AH for ore, causing the supply of ore to exceed the demand for staves. Then you thought it would be a good idea to list multiple staves in your bazaar, prompting others to have to do the same. I dont really agree with crafters colluding in tells and price fixing, like you and camper were doing, so Im never going to respond to those "collaboration" tells. It's simple to change a price in your bazaar, and if everytime you do it, it's slightly lower than mine, then the market will be crashed.

Staff economics aside: If you think that's bad, look up the last 10 Gold Ingot singles purchases on 5/27 and then check the stack price and try to figure that out. He uses that level of intellect when undercutting, too. Has pretty much decimated everything he has touched in the last 6 months by using, what I am assuming, is a Random Number Generator to decide how much to undercut by.

By all accounts, Ukko is just not that great at math. I don't think it's really nice to pick on people.

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Am I missing something about the Gold? My name is barely on there, so I'm just going to assume you're pointing out that the singles don't match the stack prices? And from there making the jump to saying that I'm as illogical as that, I suppose? Or are you commenting on how Gold Ingots have depreciated in general? You need to be a bit more clear.

There's like a hundred small things wrong with this.

"Everytime you entered the staff market."
I'm not sure what you mean by that, I've had staffs stocked 95% of the time since I hit 106, so I've only... entered... once. As for raising price on ores, no. I've made a very conscious effort to not push ore prices up, anytime I do it's only when there's 10-20+ ores listed above current prices, the ROI spread has room for it, and even then it's a 5-10k push.

"You had a chance to match prices in bazaars, but chose not to."
Um, no, when I first entered most sellers systematically undercut me, and so I did the same, as is the only way to get any sales. For a good 3 months now we've all been mostly matching eachother to a tee.

"... you then began offering the miners more than the AH for ore, causing the supply of ore to exceed the demand for staves."
Which is perfectly fine in a market where there are only 4 active people who can make staffs, should they talk and exercise a little self-control. In fact it would be a good thing, no longer bottlenecking sales by material supply but rather by the number of buyers around.

"Then you thought it would be a good idea to list multiple staves in your bazaar, prompting others to have to do the same."
Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't see how this affects anything, or why me listing multiple would make others want to. I was making sure I had a night's worth of staffs stocked when I went to sleep, seems reasonable.

"I dont really agree with crafters colluding in tells and price fixing, like you and camper were doing, so Im never going to respond to those "collaboration" tells."
This is kinda cute, because here you're clearly trying to take some sort of moral high ground while the whole reason you're upset with me is because you're not profiting enough from selling staffs to players. You can either take the 'profiting is a given' angle or 'profiting is wrong' angle, but you don't get to have it both ways.

"It's simple to change a price in your bazaar, and if everytime you do it, it's slightly lower than mine, then the market will be crashed."
There are 2 instances when I lower prices in my bazaar below others. 1) When they've just done the same to me. 2) When the AH prices have been undercut enough that the bazaar listing is now higher than the auction house listing. Both of these seem reasonable to me.

Anything else I can clear up?

I turned 1m on a 0crafting character into 150m of assets in under a year. If you have issues with the way I did it that's one thing, and I'm all for discussing that. But bad at math? Come on now... that's just lazy.

just imagine how much it could've been tho

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Definitely could have gone better, agreed. But almost exclusively if people communicate.