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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:20 pm 
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Ukko wrote:
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Next time I suggest you use your words. <3



Right, I did back when you first hit 100 ww and started shitting all over the market, we had this convo. Then you lost that courtesy for several months by being an extremely slow learner, something more and more people are agreeing on.

Incorrect. We've never had any conversation. I've literally never received a tell from any of your characters. Either you're confusing me with someone or outright lying. I'll choose to be courteous and assume the former.



Oops, my mistake, I read that as listen to your own words, sorry. Im not going to have a conversation with every new crafter that hits high end and starts fucking up the markets. And I have no right to tell them how to act. What I can do is just let them and the rest of us suffer the consequences of their actions until they learn for themself. And then make of them if theyre extreme, in hopes future crafters see them as an example not to follow.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:22 pm 
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Right, I did back when you first hit 100 ww and started shitting all over the market, we had this convo. Then you lost that courtesy for several months by being an extremely slow learner, something more and more people are agreeing on.

Incorrect. We've never had any conversation. I've literally never received a tell from any of your characters. Either you're confusing me with someone or outright lying. I'll choose to be courteous and assume the former.



Oops, my mistake, I read that as listen to your own words, sorry. Im not going to have a conversation with every new crafter that hits high end and starts fucking up the markets. And I have no right to tell them how to act. What I can do is just let them and the rest of us suffer the consequences of their actions until they learn for themself. And then make of them if theyre extreme, in hopes future crafters see you as an example not to follow.

It's not about "Telling them how to act.", It's about talking to a human being as another human being and asking them to work together on something. Ya know, like the foundation of all of FFXI?


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:46 pm 
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I dont think what youre describing in this thread is the foundation of ffxi

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:48 pm 
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I dont think what youre describing in this thread is the foundation of ffxi

The way things have gone, no. The way they could have gone, yes. That's my point. And the way they still theoretically could go, for that matter.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:51 pm 
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Ukko wrote:
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I dont think what youre describing in this thread is the foundation of ffxi

The way things have gone, no. The way they could have gone, yes. That's my point.


funny, I'd actually say the inverse.


crafters working together maximize their profits at the expense of the suppliers of materials and the buyer of products, especially when combined with how much worse it is to level a craft under today's settings than yesteryears, seems like the antithesis of FFXI.


Price wars, and the competitiveness of trying to push others out of a market is the FFXI i remember.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:52 pm 
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Ukko wrote:
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I apologize for the bubu comments then. Everytime you entered the staff market, you raised the price on ore and undercut the price on staves. You had a chance to match prices in bazaars, but chose not to. After you had started a price war, you then began offering the miners more than the AH for ore, causing the supply of ore to exceed the demand for staves. Then you thought it would be a good idea to list multiple staves in your bazaar, prompting others to have to do the same. I dont really agree with crafters colluding in tells and price fixing, like you and camper were doing, so Im never going to respond to those "collaboration" tells. It's simple to change a price in your bazaar, and if everytime you do it, it's slightly lower than mine, then the market will be crashed.


Staff economics aside: If you think that's bad, look up the last 10 Gold Ingot singles purchases on 5/27 and then check the stack price and try to figure that out. He uses that level of intellect when undercutting, too. Has pretty much decimated everything he has touched in the last 6 months by using, what I am assuming, is a Random Number Generator to decide how much to undercut by.

Am I missing something about the Gold? My name is barely on there, so I'm just going to assume you're pointing out that the singles don't match the stack prices? And from there making the jump to saying that I'm as illogical as that, I suppose? Or are you commenting on how Gold Ingots have depreciated in general? You need to be a bit more clear.


I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the individual who made the purchases I described.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:54 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
Ukko wrote:
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I dont think what youre describing in this thread is the foundation of ffxi

The way things have gone, no. The way they could have gone, yes. That's my point.


funny, I'd actually say the inverse.


crafters working together maximize their profits at the expense of the suppliers of materials and the buyer of products, especially when combined with how much worse it is to level a craft under today's settings than yesteryears, seems like the antithesis of FFXI.


Price wars, and the competitiveness of trying to push others out of a market is the FFXI i remember.

We had very different retail experiences then.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:55 pm 
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I'm going to guess that was evident a few pages ago.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:56 pm 
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You're supposed to work together to complete AF and kill mobs. Not price fix markets.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 8:04 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
You're supposed to work together to complete AF and kill mobs. Not price fix markets.

I understand how people could object to this. It's a subjective matter and I personally am in the grey area on it. What I don't understand is why people believe it's good to "coincidentally" sell things at a price, but it is not okay to talk and firmly decide together to sell things at that same price.

You can be against selling things high to profit off buyers.
You can be against selling things low because it hurts other crafters.
You cannot be against selling things high to profit because some words were exchanged.
Make sense? If we're really not okay with discussing prices but we still want to sell high, it sounds like people just want a clean conscience for doing the exact same thing as what they consider wrong.


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