I have personally looked into the matter, and determined that all Quutrub camps are OP and NOT era appropriate.

Please triple their hp and double their defense.

Problem solved.

I bet you were the kid that reminded the teacher to collect homework.

My question was rhetorical, lol. I know the answer. Of course they're viable, people here are just obsessed with only doing the best XP possible, so things like you mentioned make things "not viable", instead of what they actually are which is "not ideal".

I've partied in Bubu just fine around lvl 14. Alternate camps that have worked just fine for those dunes level: Other places in the Dunes, Korroloka, Bubu, Maze, Meriphtaud.

many camps along the way can be different and fine. you won't fight crawlers because they have a poison and a defense move. In retail, those camps were fine... because obviously mobs have defensive moves. It's the point of the game.

If you're only willing to XP on mobs that are basically different versions of a retarded animal, that's fine, but don't call others not "viable". You're just only interested in the most efficient possible XP camps. Like I said, that's fine, but that's not the definition of viable.

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at lower lvls with next to 0 mp pools and no access to dispel or magic finale? ya your damn right id rather fight a "retarded animal" that doesn't have a def up move. Not to mention your favorite spot iirc is gustav? doesn't get more "retarded animal" then that.

Those two things aren't related, but I appreciate the attempt to make them so.

Yes, I enjoy boring and mindless XP lowman with friends while meriting. No, that's not really relevant to which camps I'd consider viable while leveling to 75.

At any rate, like I said.... Great! You can absolutely XP wherever you'd like. That just doesn't change whether a camp is viable, compared to preferred or ideal. Referring to camps as not being viable can confuse new players, and just further the problem. That's all.

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Damn near everything can be slept here that shouldn't be. When I first saw VV being sleep nuked I had to check my pants because I almost shit myself.

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~Respect is earned~

From Wiki on VV: Resistant to Sleep.
VV was not immune. Now sleeping omega, ultima, and all mobs in Divine Might, sure. That's very broken. I felt the original point was way overstated though. Theres really only a handful of things that can be slept that shouldn't be. Plus we're talking about exp mobs in this thread, which are usually sleepable.

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Most of the camps in the zones I've pointed out don't work. Do they exist? Well, mobs are there, though in some cases (Mountain with beetles in Western Altepa, G-7 to H-7 for example) there seems to be an issue of scarcity I don't recall existing in retail. Are those mobs tuned so a reasonably equipped, intelligently constructed XP party can chain them effectively? Not really.

Like Kurozuka said, 'Most of these camps would be viable if tp moves worked properly.' They don't, so the camps will remain dead until that's fixed. Mob abilities that are likely to cause a wipe (Bomb Toss, Grand Slam), mob abilities that are one shot drops (Catoblepas, stomping. Raptors - everything tbh), egregious levels of defensive spam that drag a fight out longer than it should be in spite of a red mage's best effort to dispel - especially when this comes in combination with a powerful offensive that can one shot a group member, etc render a camp not viable. All of these are conditions that I don't recall existing in retail, save notable exceptions like Skeletons. I don't measure viability on a scale of '15-20K an hour or gtfo.' I measure it on the 2005 era scale of "Can a group get chain 5?" If yes, camp viability depends on level range and why the chain stopped. In the 12-40 range I expect MP breaks - possibly every chain as not all parties are created equal. Level 40+ those should be fewer and farther between. If the group can't chain effectively, there are an excessive amount of KOs, and I can't conceive of a change that would bring the camp in line with the 2005 XP/hr expectation, the camp is simply not viable.

Bear in mind in 2005 players were subbing warrior or thief, no ninja tanks or players with ninja subbed in sight, usually wearing jank for gear, and meeting that (low) standard. Point blank, XP mobs still have some for serious tuning issues that effectively break camps at various levels, and calling those camps 'not ideal' is an understatement of the issue. They are in fact broken and nonviable, even by 2005 standards.

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I've had quite successful parties in Western Altepa within my LS WITHOUT a PL and we've done a solid pace for the low 40's. Camp is fine. It's not as fast as CN but it's viable if CN is full. Chain 5/6/7 without issue. Brd has to not suck.

Ironically, one of the camps you mentioned in this quoted post as not viable is being abused fairly regularly by XP parties.

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