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You know it's not 10 minutes a day.

It's a 13 minute run from the outpost, clearing mobs and getting set up takes another 4-5, the fight takes 5 if you have your geared and merited DDs, but more likely takes about 7, and you have to do it twice a day. So it's closer to an hour a day.

And 90 minutes a day for 3-4 months for a relic? Are you saying it takes a group daily runs for 3-4 months to farm enough currency for a relic? Or that each member of the group will complete a relic after that period of time?

If you're running bubu daily with a lowman group and you average 250 currency per person, each person can complete a relic in around two months.

That's a lot more relics over that time period than kraken clubs.

But it's also silly to try to compare them directly like that.

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But here's the problem with this line of thinking:

A lot more people can run Bubu (and other dynamis) every day than can kill the OWNM or LoO. There's a hard cap in place on the number of times it even has a chance to drop, especially if the LoO fix was setting a minimum respawn time, which most of the LoO campers I've spoken to believe to be true.

How much currency drops in Bubu with TH4 per run? How many runs get done a day? How much currency from other dynamis zones?

Even if you only look at the effort of a single group, the output is how many total relics worth of currency occur over the time frame, not how much an individual gets. If we're saying that every single boxer in a bubu group can build a relic in 4-5 months, then that is 3x faster than every person in a TC OWNM group getting a KC.

This is a bad argument. If anything, it amplifies the idea that a KC should be worth significantly more than a relic's worth of currency. But it's not an apples to apples comparison, so I don't think it really says that either. It's just a stupid way to think about it in general.

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I'm already on record as saying Camper's offer is fine, and I still believe that, but some of this is disingenuous:

There were multiple offers made at significantly higher prices than Camper's, and it was a matter of not wanting to sit around and wait for people to liquidate things to get all of the gil together, or deal with having to sell things worth X or XX million gil ourselves, that resulted in it taking a few weeks to move.

The offers are there if you're willing to wait or move high value items yourself. I think it's silly to shitpost in a thread and act like Camper's offer is insulting or insane, because it clearly isn't, but it's equally silly to move to the other side of things here.

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Except this would get you 6 relics, and only one K Club. Every person in Dyna-Bub is walking out with a relic after those 3 months, you're splitting that single K Club.

Wolf, I sometimes think you have two different personalities. The same guy who complains about how its too easy to get relics and they're a joke on Nasomi is stating that they're worth as much as a K Club. It's absolutely not true. THERE IS NO DEBATE. If it were so easy to simply get a 5 man group to show up every 12 hours to TC and land a claim, we'd have more competition than we do.

We certainly agree, there shouldn't be a debate.

(Your argument makes a lot of sense until you realize that I'm complaining that a relic is only worth roughly what a KC is, when I complain about how stupidly easy relics are. It should be 3-5x. I'd also point out that I never said they are equally valued, rather that the offer is a fair one and competitive one depending on the sellers motivations and reasons for selling. Someone selling for a group wanting the most gil possible? Probably not right now, though it'll progressively get there over time. Someone that has a KC from a variable of manners that has decided they basically never use it? They might like a relic. I'd point that out, but I'm actually starting to believe some people are illiterate by choice.)

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Poor guy has his thread hijacked and turned into a 15 page debate where the result is people coming to the conclusion that they basically agree on most points. Nas needs to release some content

I'm just twiddling my thumbs waiting for Eden to come out with Tier 4 ZNMs so Nas can then come out with them a week later. I quit right when ZNMs came out and I'd love to give them a shot.

offering 41mil! holla at meh!

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