Well... I mean...the old gil that Zera managed, that was lost and eventually sorta recovered, is now on a character that's in Mordion.... So I don't see how you still don't get my point lol.

Also, feel free to miss me with the part about my gil lol. That's not even remotely logical. The monopoly on OWNMs, and thus the leverage provided by only one person selling the items, ended a long time ago. If there was ever a reward that outweighed the risks (I'd pretty firmly argue there wasn't, still), it's long since been gone.

The real problem here is that you think anyone was shitting on RFK, when we both admitted you guys deploy this terrible idea the best that you can. It was never related to RFK lol. Calm down. You taking things personal, and then getting upset about them, doesn't change the fact that we are saying all LS Banks are terrible ideas. Nothing to do with yours.


Also.. edit: I don't think anyone suggested the LS bank was playing with other people's gil, though that is obviously very easy to do and possible (For example, Stril? Probably not coming back... and most LS's dont payout gil to people, but instead assist them with things).. but since you took all of this personal, when it was never intended that way.. we can continue with that for a second. I think Aeroo's point was that eventually many LS's break, at which point the bank is controlled by the person who has it's login and their level of morality.

RFK had someone with a ton of gil and gear. He was hacked. We moved the bank to a new person who eventually became unresponsive and inactive. We then recoverd some of the gil only from that original person that was hacked, and placed that gil on a character that is now jailed. We then took all the shit from the dude that became unresponsive and inactive and put it on someone whose alt was recently jailed. I'm sorry, but forgive me if I don't leap to this being a wonderful idea when really each party could just manage the payouts for their party for the day lol.


/sigh indeed.

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Okay... I'm glad that you think I'm taking this personally, lol. Maybe you get that perception because I teach argumentation for a living. I'm not taking this personally, but you say some things that are simply not true to someone who can be materially affected by your statements. You're disparaging our sales system at a theoretical level and pretending that its nothing for me to be concerned about. People (i.e., Wolff and Aeroo) are bringing up extraneous issues that don't have anywhere close to the negative impacts they describe. Your point, now, is to point along with the OP, about banks in jail. Fine, and I agree. But that's completely separate from the other things that are being invented to needle LS banks, to say that there's literally no reason to use them. You write a polemic, you're going to see a reply.

Honestly, I think its silly to call RFK's system an LS bank. RFK doesn't use or divert the money for anything, unlike other linkshells. It is more like a sales account. And RFK's members don't even have to use the service. We didn't for our kclubs.

You're applying them to your LS personally, when we are not saying them about your LS personally.

You can call that however you'd like, I suppose. To me? I'd say that's taking something personal.

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Yes I, and I believe Aeroo, think your system is unnecessary and overly risky. It’s gonna be alright. We don’t have a magic power, it’s an opinion. I didn’t say a single thing that wasn’t true, you just applied things stated generally as if they were said about you personally and then got taken aback when someone suggested you were taking things personally.

If anything we said is disparaging or materially impacting you, maybe ponder on why that is.. since again, no one said anything that isn’t true.

You call it an LS bank, so I do. A centralized character to hold everyone’s resources is a dumb idea. Feel free to call it whatever you’d like.

I wouldn’t call it a bank either... sure as shit isn’t FDIC insured at least

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The vast majority of that gil has long since been paid out - there is very little there, and I've got faith that Nas will eventually get around to fixing the Mordion issue.


There's still a relatively small amount of people doing OWNMs, and I'd wager most weeks we're still the LS that does more of them than any other individual group. Not every week, and sometimes some of the people that really keep the rest on track are busy, but it's not like there's this explosion of groups consistently running OWNMs where there's price wars going on. There's very much still value in having someone manage the sales instead of flooding the market.


I'm not one of the people that thinks you're trying to single RFK out or taking it personally, but I do think RFK is a solid example of why banks are sometimes the most efficient method of managing things.


Sure. But I've trusted everyone who has held the bank for RFK in my tenure, and have no worries there.


I've never had Locke be unresponsive, and during the transition he was always able to get stuff to me pretty easily. And basically all of the zera gil got distributed prior to anything happening there.


You keep saying this, but at the volume that RFK does OWNMs, even now when there's more competition and we're significantly lazier, this would be completely unmanageable. You would end up with a handful of people doing all of the work of the bank, and likely with less structure and tracking. I would wager we'd lose significantly more gil from the resulting inefficiencies than any of the issues you've pointed out.

The amount of gil on a bank char for an OWNM group at any given time is "a lot", but it's almost certainly just a tiny fraction of the amount that flows through it. Looking at the total amount in the bank currently, I personally have been paid out somewhere between a quarter to half of the current value, and I'm just one person. I know multiple people that have been paid out more than the current total. It's just not that much risk exposure vs. the the problems that arise from not having a bank.

When Locke was quitting and before we had a new bank setup, we did have some people manually manage sales for their runs. It was annoying, more effort for everyone, less transparency, less visibility, and just generally a shittier experience for everyone involved. And that's always an option - there's no requirement to use the bank, and sometimes groups can and do handle things differently. But everyone that does OWNMs regularly within RFK pretty much universally agrees that a bank or sale system is far superior.

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Yes, and for the hundredth time, cool.

I will continue to disagree for many reasons, chief among them... the continuation to take general statements and apply them to one specific case.... and a specific case that is fundamentally different than the average situation for it.

I’m glad that you all feel like it’s working well, and the issues that have come up haven’t been more negative than the positive. That’s neat.

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Yeah. Neat. Thanks.

Lmao

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You keep arguing against the specific case too, though. Even while saying you're not. "Everyone can sell their own OWNM drops" is kind of an argument against that one specific case and not a general statement

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I’m responding to you. I believe I have said numerous times that your LS deploys a terrible idea in the best manner. If you’d like to stop pretending the complaints were directed at y’all, or that your LS bank is an average LS banks function, I’d be happy to stop talking about it.

Most LS banks aren’t to sell items and then pay out the Gil, but to collect the money drops and convert them into gil and then be used at the leaders discretion to fund other purchases.

You can’t take general statements personal, and then when I do respond to your thoughts be like “See! It was personal!”. It was never related to rfk or OWNMs.

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