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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:00 pm 
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The_Carrot wrote:
The wheel is round for a reason, it was the best shape to roll shit with. Rolling shit was easier than dragging shit, or pushing shit. So people figured out how to use a fucking wheel. You don't have to sub nin, go play whatever sub you want. Don't expect the rest of the players to wait on you to drag your shit or push your shit, while the just roll their shit right past you. Antihuman doesn't get to make the definition of the word "Respect"

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I completely agree with OP. He should eradicate ninja and enable DNC. We all know things got way harder when everyone was /dnc.


Just to comment on how backwards things get, your tag line says respect is earned. Which is an idiom, really. Lets bring understanding to the phrase.

1. most respect for those in positions of power was not earned it was granted as a birthright of class
2. basic human respect is a right as soon as you start saying it should be earned you dehumanize everyone.
3. You place yourself above everyone else in using this idiom. As if your respect is something to value.
4. The proper statement should be, Give respect to get respect.


1. That's called authority, not respect.

2. Human Decency is what you mean. There's no such thing as basic human respect. Those are called manners, which are ettiquette, has nothing to do with respect.

3. Respect is something to value, the fact you feel undervalued because of the respect someone else has earned, is indicative that you either get no respect from your peers, or have a serious issue with your self esteem, or both.

4. No you don't give respect to automatically get respect. You prove yourself to become respected. You can respect me all day long, but you'll have to pardon me if I pay you no fuks in return.

Respect isn't the same as consideration. I can respect my enemy and plan to destroy them at the same time.

You got respect and decency mixed up. If you're bitching about /nin, nobody owes you "Respect", If I talk shit to you about this post, you don't owe me "Respect". If we see each other starving in the street we owe each other the decency of sharing a bite of food though.

Could be a bait post but eh, some fool may read that bullshit about respect and get a false idea that scars their ability to make good decisions.


That term has no defense the proper term is "give respect to get respect". This earn thing is ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:03 pm 
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Lempo wrote:
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I maintain something I said when talking about paladin in another thread. I believe we take too much damage on nasomi (though I am not entirely certain why).


i also think theres something wrong with defense or damage or both. while leveling pld on this server ive noticed in exp parties i tend to take the same kind of damage with berserk up as i do defender and that wasnt the case from what i remember when i leveled on retail way back when


With everyone trashing on people in this forum you are very brave to come forward and say this. I also agree.

I am watching this server from ffxi endgame 2005 eyes. I have played nowhere else. So i tend to see thing others do not as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:05 pm 
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Dodi wrote:
I can’t believe you guys are still entertaining this as a legitimate discussion. The suggestion by OP has literally nothing to do with FFXI and he’s only making it to agitate people and it’s apparently working because y’all are falling for it. It’s probably a Flameheart sock- just ignore it and move on.


come to me in game. better yet lets talk in discord.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:08 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
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I didn't think you would receive it well, why do you think i said it then?


You've literally come to these forums and posted absolutely nothing of value. 30min Signet for 1st place Nation, NIN being removed, some super Blink spell be added and more I'm missing, all YOUR ideas. You're literally asking for the game we all signed up to play to be fundamentally changed from the way the game was balanced by SE from CoP on.

And you wonder why you're ridiculed/disrespected.


but i am not rude, you are.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:10 pm 
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deathmolor wrote:
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I didn't think you would receive it well, why do you think i said it then?


You've literally come to these forums and posted absolutely nothing of value. 30min Signet for 1st place Nation, NIN being removed, some super Blink spell be added and more I'm missing, all YOUR ideas. You're literally asking for the game we all signed up to play to be fundamentally changed from the way the game was balanced by SE from CoP on.

And you wonder why you're ridiculed/disrespected.


but i am not rude, you are.


So you agree that you're posting nothing of value. Glad we got that covered. I really wish Petz would make an appearance more than just once every 3 months.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:12 pm 
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Why? They are all legitimate reasons, especially for my rng. Anyways, your idea will break the game by making it too easy for my rdm and blm.


And why ninja? It was largely believed back in 2005 to be the OP job and should not have been introduced because it broke the game balance and made other tanks useless.

It was a broken job then and it is now. The game is not meant to be made easier by this job.



Ninja main is definitely weaker on here than it was in retail, mobs on Nasomi gain TP crazy fast and use TP moves a lot more frequently as a result, which severely hampers NIN and /NIN tanking capabilities, unless you can heal yourself.

A lot of stuff we'd DD-tank with NINs and WAR/NINs np back in retail isn't really feasible on here (given a comparable amount of support) for the aforementioned reasons (even though we're far better geared on here, as a general rule of thumb).

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A proper restoration of the game to 2005 is not complete without the controversy that was caused by the ninja classes existence at the time. Hence why blink magic items were introduced in the first place.


Now you're just making stuff up for the sake of being controversial.

First off, NIN came out with Zilaart, which was released in the US toward the end of 2003, alongside the game.

There was no controversy whatsoever, everyone subbed NIN and that was it; tanks followed suit as soon as we figured how to maintain hate without relying on Provoke.

No one gave 2 shits about blink items that were, for the most part, a novelty and quite frankly, cumbersome to use.

Also, ya'll talking about XI as if it was a static game throughout its history, up until Abyssea was released. Think again.

Both the gameplay and the jobs went through so many adjustments and balancing it's not even funny, have a look: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/The_History_ ... sy_XI/2002

Current Nasomi however gives an almost pitch perfect rendition of how it was playing XI on official servers during the CoP/ToAU golden age. If you weren't around back then, do yourself and everyone else a favor and shut the hell up.


You don't think blink was used for damage mitigation in the same way? Why even have a blink spell with Utsusemi around?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:16 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
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Kazen wrote:

You've literally come to these forums and posted absolutely nothing of value. 30min Signet for 1st place Nation, NIN being removed, some super Blink spell be added and more I'm missing, all YOUR ideas. You're literally asking for the game we all signed up to play to be fundamentally changed from the way the game was balanced by SE from CoP on.

And you wonder why you're ridiculed/disrespected.


but i am not rude, you are.


So you agree that you're posting nothing of value. Glad we got that covered. I really wish Petz would make an appearance more than just once every 3 months.


I am more interested in what other people are saying.

I would gladly be the tank for all the forum rage so they can have their say. I am not the only one who notices a problem. The fix may be hate mechanics not properly duplicated it may be the adjustments you do not see.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:32 pm 
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I think you could go as far as to just making blink as good as Utsusemi and that might actually balance things. But it sounds from what i heard there are errors for Nasomi server specifically that are not working like 2005. Focus on those TP fixes and hate generation fixes and maybe ninja will become less important to the player base. Less party crafting with everyone /nin including the casters.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:45 pm 
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You're not tanking forum rage, you're just coming across as impossible to reason with. This is FFXI. You don't like it? That's fine. It isn't changing. Doesn't matter if you rally 2/3 of the server behind you on a "Stomp NIN" rampage, it still isn't changing. If you can't "Respect" that, then nobody can help you.

As far as emnity mechanics, the biggest problem I see is emnity caps lower here.... Alot lower.... The most precise math we could use in retails had capped emnity at 30,000 units of CE, and another 30,000 units of VE, for a combined 60,000 TE. I've done some of my own testing and here the cap is more like 3,000 CE and 3,000 VE for a combined 6,000 TE, like someone forgot a zero in their floats. I don't do the image hosting thing, not worried about proving it. I play by those values and it works out well for me. I've adapted, so has everyone else that takes tanking seriously (except that 1 guy....).

I'm not one to partake in meta mentality, that's for sheep, but the suggestions you've made, as well as the points you've attempted to make, are ridiculous. You're inability to step back and see that, is pretty rude, and disrespectful. Nobody is reinventing the wheel because you say so. Feel free to go make your own mmo though, good luck.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:18 pm 
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deathmolor wrote:
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sure. But it is for those other reasons that it should be considered and not for a [fast] 100% blink

Why? They are all legitimate reasons, especially for my rng. Anyways, your idea will break the game by making it too easy for my rdm and blm.


And why ninja? It was largely believed back in 2005 to be the OP job and should not have been introduced because it broke the game balance and made other tanks useless.

It was a broken job then and it is now. The game is not meant to be made easier by this job.

It is obvious a 100% blink with many images before level 38 is broken, wake up. I propose another fix, remove the spell for low level ninja and only allow the high level blink at level 38. You still get your blink tank but it must be a main job. Very extremely easy adjustments for Nasomi.

A proper restoration of the game to 2005 is not complete without the controversy that was caused by the ninja classes existence at the time. Hence why blink magic items were introduced in the first place.

Dual wield. I’m using a second weapon for an accuracy bonus on my rng. Because my archery merits are still gimp and I’m not using my vulcan’s. SE tested the gameplay balance over and over again and found that there are ways to complete content with unconventional setups that don’t require a specific (sub)job, and that there are ways to keep the game challenging to those who use nin. Removing utusemi would reduce the number of job configurations that can complete content. It just makes the game several orders of magnitude harder and disregards the range of roles that are available to the player. And buffing blink to be as good as utsusemi will turn this game into a joke, reducing the game’s longevity, not enhancing it. Blink bands were a Maat fight novelty when I played retail.

The people here, for the most part, are on board with the fundamental mimesis of this game vs. retail, with departures from that mimesis that help with game challenge and longevity. Your opinion appears to be driven mostly on personal preference for doing things with more constraints. That’s okay. You can do that here, but you aren’t getting far with your alternative facts about what nin meant to SE and how they responded to the player base. To use your analogy, you’re tanking fine, but you’re not doing any damage. Probably because you hit the rage timer. Log out and play something else, or start your own server with tweaked blink parameters. I might try it out. For the lulz. As for a server without utsusemi, I’m not interested. I tier3 craft my own shihei. I like doing that. I don’t get to do much else with woodworking since the rng buff.


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