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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:31 pm 
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Think it's been established that Dirac stopped right next to 30 slept mobs, and stood there waiting to die. His own pt claimed he could kite them indefinitely, why stand so close? His own fault 100%. All I know is I'm going to form my own pt when DB goes into bubu and finish the unclaimed mobs. No cheating, no griefing, just using server mechanics to my advantage. It'll be another "split" run. If there's anything so wrong with that, lemme know Nasomi, thanks.

Nasomi designed the server and dynamis like this, so bitch to him to fix it if you wanna waste more of his time.


Actually, it doesn't show him stopping. It shows some crabs from your slept group waking up and going after him. Where he was in his kite path at the time the mobs woke up is independent of the fact it was your action sleeping the mobs and then not generating sufficient enmity to pull them off that resulted in his death.


Here's where it gets grey to me. What you are saying is factually correct except for the mpk part. I don't think it's mpk. Nas clearly adjusted the claim system months back so that you can only claim the number of mobs equal to your party size. The sleeping of the mobs was done with the intent of claiming and killing yellow mobs. If an NM goes yellow while slept and I attack it to claim it, then it kills the previous person who had threat, did I mpk them?


I think it depends a lot on the context.

I.E.: That situation in Valkurm is a lot different than it would be in Dragon's Aery, Mt. Z., or Dynamis.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:32 pm 
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Dodi wrote:
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Think it's been established that Dirac stopped right next to 30 slept mobs, and stood there waiting to die. His own pt claimed he could kite them indefinitely, why stand so close? His own fault 100%. All I know is I'm going to form my own pt when DB goes into bubu and finish the unclaimed mobs. No cheating, no griefing, just using server mechanics to my advantage. It'll be another "split" run. If there's anything so wrong with that, lemme know Nasomi, thanks.

Nasomi designed the server and dynamis like this, so bitch to him to fix it if you wanna waste more of his time.


Actually, it doesn't show him stopping. It shows some crabs from your slept group waking up and going after him. Where he was in his kite path at the time the mobs woke up is independent of the fact it was your action sleeping the mobs and then not generating sufficient enmity to pull them off that resulted in his death.


Here's where it gets grey to me. What you are saying is factually correct except for the mpk part. I don't think it's mpk. Nas clearly adjusted the claim system months back so that you can only claim the number of mobs equal to your party size. The sleeping of the mobs was done with the intent of claiming and killing yellow mobs. If an NM goes yellow while slept and I attack it to claim it, then it kills the previous person who had threat, did I mpk them?



if you're causing a mob to attack a player with that player having no way to act on it and it results in their death, this would fit the current description in the rules
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:35 pm 
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GrendelsPRGuy wrote:
Dodi wrote:
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Actually, it doesn't show him stopping. It shows some crabs from your slept group waking up and going after him. Where he was in his kite path at the time the mobs woke up is independent of the fact it was your action sleeping the mobs and then not generating sufficient enmity to pull them off that resulted in his death.


Here's where it gets grey to me. What you are saying is factually correct except for the mpk part. I don't think it's mpk. Nas clearly adjusted the claim system months back so that you can only claim the number of mobs equal to your party size. The sleeping of the mobs was done with the intent of claiming and killing yellow mobs. If an NM goes yellow while slept and I attack it to claim it, then it kills the previous person who had threat, did I mpk them?


With you until the end man. The part that gets me is that they slept the crabs and then performed no actions to try and kill them, they just stopped and watched until they were unslept while Dirac continued his kite path. Due to the nature of having your mobs split up while following a pre-determined kite path, Diracs death was inevitable the as soon as Tankfest & co. decided not to attack the mobs they successfully slept.

That's where it sounds a hell of a lot like MPK to me.


You must be part of Dirac&Co... We started casting thundagas (as clearly seen in the videos), but the crabs ranged us... my tarus at least. I called off the -ga for the other blm when i saw it happening. We had full intent to kill, guess you'd have to prove we didn't bud. Please tell everyone what I was thinking better than I can.
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Entry wrote:
Actually, it doesn't show him stopping. It shows some crabs from your slept group waking up and going after him. Where he was in his kite path at the time the mobs woke up is independent of the fact it was your action sleeping the mobs and then not generating sufficient enmity to pull them off that resulted in his death.

Edit: Apparently there's another angle on the incident that was recorded when people get home from work.



Part of the pack of mobs is slept by lunalovegod's sleepga. Many of the crabs are not hit by sleepga and thf keeps kiting, with no one commiting an action on them, then when the three blms from tankfest's party start nuking, they interrupt themselves and the thf is dead.

They actually did nothing to result in the thf's death after watching it again.
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exelyon wrote:
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Actually, it doesn't show him stopping. It shows some crabs from your slept group waking up and going after him. Where he was in his kite path at the time the mobs woke up is independent of the fact it was your action sleeping the mobs and then not generating sufficient enmity to pull them off that resulted in his death.

Edit: Apparently there's another angle on the incident that was recorded when people get home from work.



Part of the pack of mobs is slept by lunalovegod's sleepga. Many of the crabs are not hit by sleepga and thf keeps kiting, with no one commiting an action on them, then when the three blms from tankfest's party start nuking, they interrupt themselves and the thf is dead.

They actually did nothing to result in the thf's death after watching it again.


Lunalovegood is the RDM in Dirac's group. Don't think Luna slept anything, nor did she have enmity at any point after Dirac died. The bard's actions got him killed and nobody else, the lullabies don't matter. What resulted in MPK is the BLM's Sleepga2 that then went without any followup.

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Seriously, rewatch the video and look at the log. No horde, last sleepga is lunalovegod's. Animation that sleeps part of the pack is sleepga.
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Seriously, rewatch the video and look at the log. No horde, last sleepga is lunalovegod's. Animation that sleeps part of the pack is sleepga.


Dude I didn't even watch that close, but I was wondering why my sleepga only hit part of them, and the other part was also slept? Their party must have slept their half, my sleepga2'ed mobs still had like 1 full minute of sleep lol
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