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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:33 pm 
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Dodi wrote:
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This is a convenience price. Lynx Leather isn't that hard to obtain. I regularly run past OWNM's that drop it. Lynx Leather is also the outlier because Smilo is down below 100k now.

Smilo would go up in price if Lynx went down. It's primarily low because Lynx is a rather large gating mechanism that reduces the smilo market.


Also, having watched a lot of new groups attempt OWNMs over the past few months... They are apparently harder for people than I realized.


I get what you're saying but not sure if I agree mainly because if you're buying a Lynx Leather you're also buying a Smilo in 99% of cases. Yet there are vastly more Smilos than Lynx. This isn't a function of demand, it's a function of supply. If Lynx were more abundant and the price went down, Smilo would creep up, but it would still be "cheap" relative to Lynx because the supply of Smilo has always been more abundant than the supply of Lynx.

I don't know that there's any evidence that this is actually true. All the data I have suggests they are similar drop rates.

Unless there's some random 60 OWNM that we've never killed consistently with a significantly different drop rate, anyway. Which might be possible - a lot of them suck and we don't do.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:34 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:36 pm 
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Dodi wrote:
I don't think RFK monopolizes the OWNM scene like they once did. I see a lot of recurring non-RFK names on the sales histories of many of the popular drops. The only reason Lynx hasn't tanked the way items like Sorc. Ring have is because Lynx Leather is a consumable that basically almost every char. wants.

Nah. People got richer and fatter and lazier.

We've seen a lot of groups show up and do a few here and there though not a whole lot seem to stick to it consistently like we do.

There's a Chinese group that's probably been our stiffest competition recently. Good guys though, I like 'em.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:12 am 
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are seals capped at 1 drop per 5 min?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:35 am 
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Julia wrote:
are seals capped at 1 drop per 5 min?


I have heard this quite a bit but I have never tested it myself.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:37 am 
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I think its by party? so most seals u can get involves a 3 man 3pt ally? not sure if that works or not i never bothered to try.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:44 am 
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They are.

I don't think being in an alliance increases it, but I might be wrong.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:50 am 
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cthalupa wrote:
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Smilo would go up in price if Lynx went down. It's primarily low because Lynx is a rather large gating mechanism that reduces the smilo market.


Also, having watched a lot of new groups attempt OWNMs over the past few months... They are apparently harder for people than I realized.


I get what you're saying but not sure if I agree mainly because if you're buying a Lynx Leather you're also buying a Smilo in 99% of cases. Yet there are vastly more Smilos than Lynx. This isn't a function of demand, it's a function of supply. If Lynx were more abundant and the price went down, Smilo would creep up, but it would still be "cheap" relative to Lynx because the supply of Smilo has always been more abundant than the supply of Lynx.

I don't know that there's any evidence that this is actually true. All the data I have suggests they are similar drop rates.

Unless there's some random 60 OWNM that we've never killed consistently with a significantly different drop rate, anyway. Which might be possible - a lot of them suck and we don't do.


Well, you agree that in general, for every 100 Lynx Leather that get purchased, likely 98 to 99 Smilo get purchased right? I don't have drop rate evidence, but I did a ton of OWNM's when I was active in RFK and at that time there were seemingly always a surplus of Smilo when compared to Lynx. I thought we were just doing more OWNM that dropped Smilo than we were that dropped Lynx based on the other items in the loot pools. So maybe it wasn't as much a difference in drop rate as it was a difference in volume of kills.

Small sample size but:

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This actually seems to be worse then I remember when i was active with OWNM's. And ppl who have 1M for 60-65 certainly have another 100k for 65-70. AFAIK the leathers aren't being used in any crafts that would affect supply.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:07 am 
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Dodi wrote:
cthalupa wrote:
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I get what you're saying but not sure if I agree mainly because if you're buying a Lynx Leather you're also buying a Smilo in 99% of cases. Yet there are vastly more Smilos than Lynx. This isn't a function of demand, it's a function of supply. If Lynx were more abundant and the price went down, Smilo would creep up, but it would still be "cheap" relative to Lynx because the supply of Smilo has always been more abundant than the supply of Lynx.

I don't know that there's any evidence that this is actually true. All the data I have suggests they are similar drop rates.

Unless there's some random 60 OWNM that we've never killed consistently with a significantly different drop rate, anyway. Which might be possible - a lot of them suck and we don't do.


Well, you agree that in general, for every 100 Lynx Leather that get purchased, likely 98 to 99 Smilo get purchased right? I don't have drop rate evidence, but I did a ton of OWNM's when I was active in RFK and at that time there were seemingly always a surplus of Smilo when compared to Lynx. I thought we were just doing more OWNM that dropped Smilo than we were that dropped Lynx based on the other items in the loot pools. So maybe it wasn't as much a difference in drop rate as it was a difference in volume of kills.

Small sample size but:

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This actually seems to be worse then I remember when i was active with OWNM's. And ppl who have 1M for 60-65 certainly have another 100k for 65-70. AFAIK the leathers aren't being used in any crafts that would affect supply.

Some people don't expand their inventory all the way that they can afford to, though - even if it's relatively cheaper. We've had a not-insignificant number of lynx sales where we've asked if people wanted to buy a smilo too as part of a combo and gotten told no. With the price drop and people not being willing to pay for the smilo, I know some have just been given away as an add-in just because. But even if only 98 or 99 smilo get purchased for each 100 lynx, that's accounts for the majority of the difference in your screenshots. 100k is enough people will keep shit up on the AH for forever and keep relisting it, so you end up with them being held onto indefinitely.

My data isn't necessarily complete - I don't make it to every OWNM we do, and if I look historically, we've had more smilo on the spreadsheet than lynx. And I didn't note down anything for most of my time doing OWNMs - it's more recent I've been paying attention there. Nor have I tried to keep track of how TH affects it. Wish I had tried to keep better track - easily done over a thousand at this point, and I'd love to have kept better tabs on the data.

Anyway, if lynx dropped to 500-600k, I bet we'd see smilos increase to 300-400k or so over time. More people can afford to break purchases up like that.

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I went 0/10 On t&t with a group that had gone 0/8 on it the day before. Another group said they went 1/24. Hoping 321 is a little better but I’d bet he gave these a flat 5% drop on all of them, which is a little sad. 1000 seals for one item means if I’m lucky, I’ll be able to upgrade one character to 75 slots with the seals I have accumulated on 2 characters over 2+ years. Good luck to new people.


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