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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:09 pm 
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If he does something, people here might be held liable


weird flex but ok

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:32 pm 
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Miku wrote:
popsiclestick wrote:
If he does something, people here might be held liable


weird flex but ok

Not people posting in the thread. I mean hosting this forum/game. You see what they are saying about 8chan? With the climate it is today... people are on edge.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:34 pm 
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Knarlfist wrote:
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18 U.S. Code § 875. Interstate communications
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(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any demand or request for a ransom or reward for the release of any kidnapped person, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(c) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 741; Pub. L. 99–646, § 63, Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3614; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(G), (H), (K), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)


Interstate Commerce Clause, although true, only gives the government the ability to handle matters interstate. That means with other states, Indian tribes, and foreign nations. It doesn't mean what he did was illegal in his country at all--if he lives somewhere else. His country would first have to have an extradition treaty that allows such deportation for trial here. But that aside, the above is mainly for the common defense of the country. As interstate commerce is a power outlined I believe in Article I, Section 3, Clause 8 of the US Constitution to help nationalize the country in times of need. For something like this, is a huge stretch of it's intent and seems less like what's outlined in the constitution and more beaucratic law to help enforce other laws. In addition to that, hate speech was unanimously reaffirmed as protected speech--Including idol threats lacking symbols of impeding danger--back in 2017. Remember, that for there to be any sort of hate crime, there must be a crime to have been made and a law broken. Someone ranting and venting isn't quite enough. But if he is in the states, they can detain him for up to 48 hours to determine if there was possible harm and was established in the Supreme Court Case, Terry v. Ohio


Thank god someone addressed this, I was tempted to, but rarely do people treat you well even if you speak the truth. One of the most tired overplayed myths in [Current Year] discourse is this constant 'hate speech' propaganda. As you said, this has been addressed by the courts, and doesn't exist in the U.S. There is no hate speech here, just protected Free Speech. I do realize that many on Nasomi will be from other countries, and sadly places like Canada and the UK don't seem to cherish the universal Freedoms that have been the legacy granted Western Nations from centuries past by brave intelligent souls that paid in blood. Give them all up, and someday we will have to pay that price once again.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:00 pm 
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lock him up!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:47 pm 
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Knarlfist wrote:
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18 U.S. Code § 875. Interstate communications
(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.


Interstate Commerce Clause, although true, only gives the government the ability to handle matters interstate. ... In addition to that, hate speech was unanimously reaffirmed as protected speech--Including idol threats lacking symbols of impeding danger--back in 2017.


There is no hate speech here, just protected Free Speech.


The commerce clause is super broad, and threats communicated across state lines certainly fall within its purview. Furthermore, threats aren't hate speech, threats are threats. A specific threat against a specific person with a specific plan for locating that person and a specifically articulated motive is probably sufficiently actionable. That said, this isn't something feds are likely to actually pursue. If Nas sent logs to Chess's friendly local police precinct, on the other hand... unless you think a department wants to risk being seen as not taking action in response to a specific threat made online in this day and age? (All assuming he lives in the U.S.)

Legal crap aside, this shit is wack, yo.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:58 pm 
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Giltaker wrote:
I've been in CM for a long time.. Not in it with what happened now but.. with everything that has happen I do understand the hurt feelings and frustration with everything. Many people on this server have been helped, geared, by Chess and CM members. It's hard losing members much less hardcore members that have helped to build it. Understand he was frustrated and hurt. We all make comments when Feelings are involved, some not so harsh but we are all different in our own unique ways and sometimes frustration gets the best of us without thinking. Also Lazy's Gf is like Rhonda Rousey, I don't think Lazy or his Gf feel threatened by this.


I'm fairly certain almost nobody threatens to send someone their girlfriend's body parts because of a video game, hurt feelings or otherwise. Calling someone a douche canoe? Sure. Threatening this shit? That's not normal, no matter how much you want to tell yourself it is.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:00 pm 
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Inmate: “So, what are you in for?”

Chess: “I threatened someone over a virtual item that occasionally attacks 2-8 times.”


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:24 pm 
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HarleyM wrote:
Knarlfist wrote:
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Interstate Commerce Clause, although true, only gives the government the ability to handle matters interstate. ... In addition to that, hate speech was unanimously reaffirmed as protected speech--Including idol threats lacking symbols of impeding danger--back in 2017.


There is no hate speech here, just protected Free Speech.


The commerce clause is super broad, and threats communicated across state lines certainly fall within its purview. Furthermore, threats aren't hate speech, threats are threats. A specific threat against a specific person with a specific plan for locating that person and a specifically articulated motive is probably sufficiently actionable. That said, this isn't something feds are likely to actually pursue. If Nas sent logs to Chess's friendly local police precinct, on the other hand... unless you think a department wants to risk being seen as not taking action in response to a specific threat made online in this day and age? (All assuming he lives in the U.S.)

Legal crap aside, this shit is wack, yo.



With respect to what you said. Yes, but it's why I explained its mainly used for the central government to get what it wants for the nation's interest, such as taxes, roads, or even laws utilize some sort of interstate. While this is, I wanted to stress that interstate is to handle interstate affairs, but it has its limitations with regard to jurisdiction, which I'll get more onto later. But that aside, a threat is only a threat. People threaten the president all the time, and the worst that happens--if it's an idle threat and nothing substantial--is the Secret Service and an FBI agent questioning you with them leaving after 30 seconds.

I stress though the hate speech because we honestly don't know the ethnicities of people behind a screen unless they divulge that. I could see some SJW dying to use it. So I addressed it. But you aren't technically wrong, which is why I mentioned investigative detentions and a police dept using it to assess if there was any substance to the threat.

But if he's out of the country then this makes it much more difficult to do anything, commerce or not. It's why extradition treaties are important here. I believe, and tell me if I'm wrong, that chess is in Canada. If that's the case, Interstate allows the government to handle interstate affairs--in this case dealing with other countries. But at the end of the day, unless there is an enforced treaty on these particular issues, it's at the will of the foreign government to extradite.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:48 pm 
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Noone cares about your legal opinions and whatever you think/pretend you know about whether or not he can get in real life legal trouble. Most just want to see this type of absurdity removed from our private server.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:52 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
Noone cares about your legal opinions and whatever you think/pretend you know about whether or not he can get in real life legal trouble. Most just want to see this type of absurdity removed from our private server.


I'm a political scientist by trade. International affairs and constitutional law are personal subjects of mine. I agree with you, but I think this will resolve itself if you leave it alone.


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