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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:34 pm 
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I just want to add to this entire situation some info people may not be aware of.

Many if not all of these Chinese players previously were able to play without the use of a VPN, giving them unique IP's and making it easier to identify offenders.

Approx 4 or 5 months ago something was changed on the server that broke all search functionality for all Chinese players, making them unable to see who was online, search AH, pt ect.

This forced the Chinese community to seek other solutions after they were unable to get any help for approx 1 month.

The result of all this was the majority of them being forced to use a VPN, which they likely pay money for, because they love the game and this server, to be able to play without these issues.

I'm not saying everyone's innocent but the current climate and why everyone is forced to use a VPN and connect for the same IP wasnt something they wanted, and now players, friends of mine, have been affected.

Nas I understand this was the easy answer but please reconsider this heavy handed approach.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:53 pm 
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1 IP folks.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:57 pm 
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i mean if they "Cheating" with multi(50+) accounts same ip that really smart way to said " hey all of us is over here " please banned


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:13 pm 
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Ash wrote:
Hey there.

I don't post a lot in these types of threads, mainly because they get out of hand, but I did want to add my two cents here.

Nasomi, I totally respect the hard work you're trying to do when enforcing policies. I work in San Francisco as a policy manager for what some could consider a 'tech' company, so I'm quite familiar with the logistics and depth it takes to legitimately and faithfully make sure your users are following the rules and code of conduct.

With that said, banning and terminating users is a very difficult thing to do, especially when you're working with limited information. I, like you, use a lot of factors when determining whether a user needs to be banned based on their association to a bad seed. Things like:

-Are the accounts linked by IP
-Linked by device finger printing
-Banking information
-Credit card info
-Email, telephone number, basically any personal info
-Discernible patterns in user behavior
-And the list goes on

In instances where we have a number of accounts linked to one bad account, my job is to make sure those other accounts are thoroughly looked into before banning them based on their association to a bad account. If I was closing all accounts that are linked to one bad account without digging into each account thoroughly, I wouldn't be doing my job properly. Plus, I'd have a lot of angry users complaining when I may have erroneously closed their accounts; this hurts our business model and as well the community at large.

Some of these people you banned are genuinely good people. I've partied with a number of them and they have only been kind and helpful to me. I am saddened that some of these 'good' players got mixed into a group of bad players simply based on their IP association. While I appreciate the work you do to maintain a cheat-free server, I really must contend that if you banned innocent players without thoroughly looking into each account, it is hasty and lazy work on your part. I know you don't have the time to look into each account thoroughly, but you are banning innocent players who have put months--maybe years--of their time into your server. If you don't have the time to look into each account, you may want to consider creating a team to help you with the process. One man can't do everything himself; I would certainly fail miserably if I didn't have my own team. I'm sure people would be willing to help you if given the chance.

-Asharu

it sucks that it takes a post like this to get a response from nasomi; you dont have to be a damn policy manager to understand that the course of action that nasomi decided on taking was foolish/lazy/insensitive. I dont care what you have to say about this being a hobby for him, it clearly grew to something bigger than he has the capability/time/etc/etc/etc for....you cannot argue or change my mind on this. if there is anything certain (which is a term that is HARDLY used with nasomi in the same sentence) is that this server has/will take a toll due to all this. BAD PR AINT ALWAYS GOOD. Also the talk of content release gets no ones dick hard but new people who have no idea how empty your promises/words/timeline plan or any other distraction that you can come up with to have people under the illusion that the promised content that you do plan on releasing will even work correctly because you never test anything prior to kickin it live for whatever reason.

Over and over and over again the community has reached out to you to help you which you have refused politely and thats ok if you had the capability of doing it yourself. If you want to keep arguing using the reasoning "its a hobby for him" well then enjoy your time on nasomi while it lasts because the day he looses interest in his hobby is the day all you little white knights are gonna be left without a nipple to suck on.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:21 pm 
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The forums were getting pretty boring. This is a nice surprise! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:43 pm 
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-Asharu[/quote]
If you want to keep arguing using the reasoning "its a hobby for him" well then enjoy your time on nasomi while it lasts because the day he looses interest in his hobby is the day all you little white knights are gonna be left without a nipple to suck on.[/quote]

Nah, the server only goes down if Chess gets banned and then goes crazy because of that - resulting into the end of the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:07 pm 
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Seems in a server where people feel a lack of content, the players become the content. It is amusing seeing people who have never touched a wyrm in any capacity or even spent 5 minutes fucking around with av complaining about it though. When you’ve been banned for cheating/speeding through the limited content that does exist, and then come try to say the server is dying because of lack of content, you’re really not influencing anyone to leave with you. You just look sad. News flash, it’s just like any other video game. It’s dead when you feel it’s dead and you are bored. No one else’s experience is affected by yours. Get over yourselves and find a new game or server if this one gets your feelings this much in a bunch.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:09 pm 
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nasomi wrote:
I have nothing against chinese players. I welcome them to a place where they can escape the harsh realities of an oppressive government and poor society. The chinese population is not the only ones that face this type of reality and not not the only ones that seek refuge here. However, when a dozen or so are reported, and I find them all connecting from the same place, with 20+ infractions against the rules including exploiting intended game mechanics, wallhacks, speed hacks, circumventing account limits, etc, those players will need to be banned. I cast as narrow of a net as possible, one day and one ip, that those who broke the rules all connected from. It is impossible for me to tell one person from another when connected from the same ip at the same time. I do not have billing information, credit card information, physical addresses, to tell you apart. As a result, ip is the only designation I am able to use.


Lmao , are you liaving 1919 ?You live The twentieth century? 《I welcome them to a place where they can escape the harsh realities of an oppressive government and poor society.》 come on , man . we use same VPN IP software join your nasomi . THAT BECAUSE YOU ! NOT MY COUNTRY ! YOU BAND CHINA IP ! do you understand ! now you tell that because china government and poor society! ARE YOU KIDING ME ? ARE YOU Deception and misleading all the nasomi players ? Deception and misleading the question point ? you said you dont have << I do not have billing information, credit card information, physical addresses, to tell you apart. As a result, ip is the only designation I am able to use. >>> Why do you delete forum posts that we prove to be everyone?

你这样做。 并不公平。你在做独裁者做的事情!You do that. It's not fair. You're doing what dictators do!
你敢对律师和法庭说你这么做是对的么 ? Do you dare tell lawyers and courts that you did the right thing?
因为你无知或者没有方法去查阅一些真相,你就必须伤害所有人?Because you are ignorant or have no way to access some truth, you have to hurt everyone?

its not the way to fix your nasomi . its not vanadill . not FFXI . IT MADE ME FEEL NASOMI JUST YOUR TOY !
这不是维护你的nasomi的方式。不是瓦纳迪尔。不是FFXI。NASOMI 只是你的玩具!
你玩弄和浪费所有人的时间和精力!并且逃脱责任!You play and waste everyone's time and energy! And escape responsibility!

如果你不让玩家发出声音,为了中国玩家的清白。OK 我可以继续发论坛帖。每一天! 我说到做到, 请认真答复! 谢谢
If you do not allow players to voice, for the sake of Chinese players' innocence. OK, I can continue to post forum posts. Every single day! I said that I can do it. Please give me a serious reply! ___________ Thank you


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:13 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
Seems in a server where people feel a lack of content, the players become the content. It is amusing seeing people who have never touched a wyrm in any capacity or even spent 5 minutes fucking around with av complaining about it though. When you’ve been banned for cheating/speeding through the limited content that does exist, and then come try to say the server is dying because of lack of content, you’re really not influencing anyone to leave with you. You just look sad. News flash, it’s just like any other video game. It’s dead when you feel it’s dead and you are bored. No one else’s experience is affected by yours. Get over yourselves and find a new game or server if this one gets your feelings this much in a bunch.


lol the ol'TS bulldozer.

tldr version: subtweet, your a noob, quit, im better than you; did i summarize that well enough?


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