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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:26 pm 
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Gweenz wrote:
Klic wrote:
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MAC addresses operate on layer 2. By the time you leave your home LAN your traversing of the internet is primarily based on layer 3 communication. The MAC in a packet changes every time it moves from one switching device to another. Unless you're collecting the MAC address with software and sending it back, then you can't see what MAC they are using on the other side of the internet. When the packets ingress on his router they'll have the source MAC of whatever upstream ISP device sent them on.



True, but if he is having traffic go through some devices either way, there's still ways to look at the original source address. And if they were innocent and are willing to provide a MAC, that could be handled perhaps. But I get what you're saying as it changes from one route to the other as a new destination address comes into play.


Not impossible, but so highly unlikely as to be impossible in practice. The only way to determine the source address is to talk to the VPN service. They are the only ones who know, and it is their job to protect the privacy of their users. Short of a government order, they will not do this. Even they would only be able to provide a source IP (after a fair amount of log searching themselves) and wouldn't be able to determine who is cheating and who isn't if they're not sniffing and logging FFXI traffic, which they are obviously not. MACs do not apply here in any way, they are layer 2. Only the layer 3 IP address applies, and as we've discussed cannot be used to determine who is who without private VPN company and/or government intervention.


Thanks for this, I had a good fucking laugh at "there's still ways to look at original source address" from a VPN.

Also minus the VPN argument, still have not seen any defense from the ABC peeps about why they were entering dyna 2-3 times daily and bugging to reset zones to keep going. Even for the ones who never did Dynamis (I saw at least 2 in this thread claim as such). the forum and game account binding, why did they never do that?

Keep deflecting to TS and other shit all you want, but the Chinese still need to make a case for themselves other than "here's a VPN screenshot".


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:28 pm 
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Aperture wrote:
Arieus wrote:
Skitles wrote:

The key word there is "FRIENDS". Dimitrii was not in TS when he was banned. Learn your facts.
Baldr was, but baldr was 1 person in TS, and all of TS isnt using the same IP. Plus no one knows why Baldr was banned. We wish we did. Might have a small idea, but nothing is confirmed. The fact that No one knows this, proves that it was an isolated incident and not a whole grp of people cheating that got 60+ banned.... not even the same situations.


Sorry, just had to come back for this one.

Why are you avoiding the scraping data portion of his comment? Like for real. When I was in TS even I thought it was odd as fuck that there was a "Crafting Corner" page that required a separate login to get into aside from logging into the forums itself. Low and behold it did hold all of the scraped information behind it, and had nothing to actually do with crafting. If you don't think your friends in TS were using that, you're out of your mind. Who was it again that set that up, Tiby? I'd have to dig but I'm pretty sure I have those screenshots of him explaining how it was done.

At this point this thread is Unbanned players vs. Banned players. The difference between you and a banned person is that we aren't afraid to list off all the dumb shit Nasomi has done over the years, and continues to do. That is the only reason we are still around, to air his crappy methods and bring awareness to those facts. I've yet to see you disagree with any of his practices in any fashion yet, even Aeroo fessed up to Nasomi doing things poorly in his own roundabout kiss-ass way earlier in this thread. I can see why you'll follow him blindly though, he already threatened to ban Dodi for posting redacted screenshots outing Deft. What a strange wide open fascist world you live in.



TS members are some of the most rule-abiding gamers I've ever encountered in my life. Hard-earned, fair gameplay, never did a single thing wrong. I mean I personally force spawned KA and then nexus caped to it for my belt.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:38 pm 
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Aperture wrote:
Arieus wrote:
Skitles wrote:

The key word there is "FRIENDS". Dimitrii was not in TS when he was banned. Learn your facts.
Baldr was, but baldr was 1 person in TS, and all of TS isnt using the same IP. Plus no one knows why Baldr was banned. We wish we did. Might have a small idea, but nothing is confirmed. The fact that No one knows this, proves that it was an isolated incident and not a whole grp of people cheating that got 60+ banned.... not even the same situations.


Sorry, just had to come back for this one.

Why are you avoiding the scraping data portion of his comment? Like for real. When I was in TS even I thought it was odd as fuck that there was a "Crafting Corner" page that required a separate login to get into aside from logging into the forums itself. Low and behold it did hold all of the scraped information behind it, and had nothing to actually do with crafting. If you don't think your friends in TS were using that, you're out of your mind. Who was it again that set that up, Tiby? I'd have to dig but I'm pretty sure I have those screenshots of him explaining how it was done.

At this point this thread is Unbanned players vs. Banned players. The difference between you and a banned person is that we aren't afraid to list off all the dumb shit Nasomi has done over the years, and continues to do. That is the only reason we are still around, to air his crappy methods and bring awareness to those facts. I've yet to see you disagree with any of his practices in any fashion yet, even Aeroo fessed up to Nasomi doing things poorly in his own roundabout kiss-ass way earlier in this thread. I can see why you'll follow him blindly though, he already threatened to ban Dodi for posting redacted screenshots outing Deft. What a strange wide open fascist world you live in.



TS members are some of the most rule-abiding gamers I've ever encountered in my life. Hard-earned, fair gameplay, never did a single thing wrong. I mean I personally force spawned KA and then nexus caped to it for my belt.




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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:43 pm 
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I can't believe ya'll let Arieus join, and turned me down.

Unbelievable.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:47 pm 
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I can't believe ya'll let Arieus join, and turned me down.

Unbelievable.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:52 pm 
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Arieus wrote:
Starbright wrote:
I can't believe ya'll let Arieus join, and turned me down.

Unbelievable.


I wasn't always the dick I am today.

Wait nevermind, yes I was.


i'm glad you covered the punchline yourself

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:01 pm 
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To be honest, the name Arieus sounds familiar but I couldn't even tell you what race or which jobs he played.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:14 pm 
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Since we're shitting on Arieus, he joined the shell years back when it was a very different group. He came back from a long break and quit the shell shortly after to lead some other failure shell for a few weeks. When he reapplied, it was a swift no.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:31 pm 
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yeah, but still

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Players
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:44 pm 
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siknoz wrote:
Gweenz wrote:
Klic wrote:


True, but if he is having traffic go through some devices either way, there's still ways to look at the original source address. And if they were innocent and are willing to provide a MAC, that could be handled perhaps. But I get what you're saying as it changes from one route to the other as a new destination address comes into play.


Not impossible, but so highly unlikely as to be impossible in practice. The only way to determine the source address is to talk to the VPN service. They are the only ones who know, and it is their job to protect the privacy of their users. Short of a government order, they will not do this. Even they would only be able to provide a source IP (after a fair amount of log searching themselves) and wouldn't be able to determine who is cheating and who isn't if they're not sniffing and logging FFXI traffic, which they are obviously not. MACs do not apply here in any way, they are layer 2. Only the layer 3 IP address applies, and as we've discussed cannot be used to determine who is who without private VPN company and/or government intervention.


Thanks for this, I had a good fucking laugh at "there's still ways to look at original source address" from a VPN.

Also minus the VPN argument, still have not seen any defense from the ABC peeps about why they were entering dyna 2-3 times daily and bugging to reset zones to keep going. Even for the ones who never did Dynamis (I saw at least 2 in this thread claim as such). the forum and game account binding, why did they never do that?

Keep deflecting to TS and other shit all you want, but the Chinese still need to make a case for themselves other than "here's a VPN screenshot".


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