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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:56 pm 
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let me get this straight: aeroo is supposed to be the salty one?


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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:57 pm 
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I'm just poking the body with a stick at this point.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:00 pm 
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I'm just poking the body with a stick at this point.


That's because noone likes you.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:02 pm 
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i dunno who to root for here

avogadro is growing on me

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:33 pm 
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At least his friend Avogadro can tank shit, the few things I've seen anyway. This lil blm only riding coat tails on low lvl endgame and then acting like everything is too easy for him. I'd love for everything to work perfectly and be as hard as retail. But if you haven't even participated in the content, it really makes no sense to talk about how easy it is. Go try and tank a tiamat with just a brd and whm and see how long you last. Go see how easy everything on this server is.

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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:43 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
At least his friend Avogadro can tank shit, the few things I've seen anyway. This lil blm only riding coat tails on low lvl endgame and then acting like everything is too easy for him. I'd love for everything to work perfectly and be as hard as retail. But if you haven't even participated in the content, it really makes no sense to talk about how easy it is. Go try and tank a tiamat with just a brd and whm and see how long you last. Go see how easy everything on this server is.


he should run his characters through Avogadro's control, instead of just having buy/sell /tells going through him.

edit: personally I find the lizards around Lizzy's camp are too easy to kill.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:23 pm 
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Easy mode KB (400 damage meteor?)

People are smarter and using Shell4 on everyone + damage halved from hitting 10+ characters
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Easy mode Faf/Nid (joke wings)

No clue what you're talking about, damage seems right, negated by Shell4 + decent stoneskin
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Easy mode Tiamat (elementals are a joke)

That's true the ones around Tiamat should be lvl70, but there's also corse roaming area that isnt large enough. Only minor inconvenience anyway.
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Easy mode Vrtra (straight tanking without kiting)

Did this in retail frequently, a wyrm spinning doesn't mean it's gonna flail if it doesn't have the tp to use it.
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Easy mode Jorm (see above re: elementals)

You're wrong, these elementals are at the right level.
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Extremely low enmity cap makes tanking just being the last to hit something

I don't know about that one, happened in retail as well.
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Non-lethal Fulmination

Very much lethal if you don't have some fire res or luck on resist. Cerb is only lvl85 or so, you don't need as much as lvl95 wyrms.
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Ez moad PW/ZNM gear bloating gear supplies

Not sure how these items help in killing anything relevant.
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Ez moad relics

Only Aegis and Ghorn are actually relevant for killing HNMs, mostly Ghorn. By 06-07 any decent LS had 1 or 2 of each.

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You get the idea.

I get the idea you don't have much clue what you're talking about


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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:54 pm 
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i would be embarrassed to be using those examples to describe this server's easy mode. in era most of that content was bottlenecked by player competition rather than player skill/gear

how about why ownms don't use trample anymore? that shit was fun!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:43 pm 
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I can actually say those things because I've beaten the server in its current state. Very few people can say that, and what did I say that was wrong to be delusional? There is a group on this server that has dictated meta's at killing mobs since 2017 at the most efficient levels to the point others attempt to emulate. I don't see other groups killing nearly as efficient and looking nearly as good at it. If this server is so easy as you put it, then why are every linkshell outside of two scared to make that trek up that icy mountain to battle jorm?

They'd get their ass kicked, thats why.


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 Post subject: Re: Content
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:37 pm 
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I get the idea you don't have much clue what you're talking about


I'm not really willing to put in the time it'd take to format a point by point quoted reply so I'll just go through in order.

Behemoth:
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Claims of Meteor wiping groups of 8+ claiming him on the same page. Same timepoint as what the server is modeled to be.

Faf/Nid:
Harder to find evidence on a cursory google search of what kind of damage this used to do. The volume of available gear and knowledge may be mitigating the difficulty I remember.

Tiamat:
Elementals weren't an existential threat. They were an annoyance that was designed to prevent an alliance or linkshell from being able to focus entirely on Tiamat. They also punished inattentive alliances/mages. They aren't a factor here.

Jorm:
Ubiquity of exceedingly geared SMNs, WHMs, BLMs with Chat staves trivialize this if the elementals aren't a factor.

Enmity:
I've seen people get to the enmity cap after meleeing for 2-3 minutes on something. A non-Mandau thief shouldn't be pulling hate from a Kikoku NIN after 3 minutes of fighting something with auto attacks.

Fulmination:
It's a Khimaira ability. Tourbillion is more of a threat.

Naimah wrote:
I get the idea you don't have much clue what you're talking about



PW/ZNMs:
I'll just ignore the benefits provided by having access to Hachi bodies, Oracle HMP sets, etc.

Relics:
Excal is exceedingly good for HNMs, as is Aegis. Bravura. Ghorn. Amano. A group can build a relic in two weeks of bubu burns if they dedicate currency towards one at a time. Fragments are a joke. Papers can be 4 manned.


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i would be embarrassed to be using those examples to describe this server's easy mode. in era most of that content was bottlenecked by player competition rather than player skill/gear

how about why ownms don't use trample anymore? that shit was fun!


I'd be embarrassed if I had to crutch on my own professional qualifications to support any argument I make. Leave your communications PhD out of this or let the real doctors talk.

I'm mostly memeing with that. Just seemed funny.

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