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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:51 pm 
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Uh.. i'm in the process of leveling NIN to 75 on my main on Nasomi for the third time.

You've been banned more than that? Come at me bruh.


At any rate, you're right. You can definitely spam elemental wheel as often as you want on trash mobs... and I guess level capped mobs, if you want. Have at it. It's not really necessary, and is often counter-intuitive (farming, for example) but sure.. you can definitely do whatever you want.

If you're doing it beyond that, I'm probably going to boot you from the pt.

You seem to be contending that including a BLM in your PT is a good use of the spot out of anything more than charity, which basically negate anything else you said and is well.. hilarious. As I said, if your tank is absorbing all the incoming damage, you should be kicking all of the other members of your party.. because that is an atrocious setup. Ele wheel or not, if a NIN is keeping hate for more than a few seconds in an XP party, you're probably letting someone leech.

I think the two of us are just happy with two very different XP experiences. That's okay.


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Neither of you know what you're talking about.



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That's a tough look. Good luck with that lol.

Both of us know what we're talking about, and that's why this is such a great conversation lol. Have a good one NIN master.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:56 pm 
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Starbright wrote:
XooZQ wrote:
Starbright wrote:
Uh.. i'm in the process of leveling NIN to 75 on my main on Nasomi for the third time.

You've been banned more than that? Come at me bruh.


At any rate, you're right. You can definitely spam elemental wheel as often as you want on trash mobs... and I guess level capped mobs, if you want. Have at it. It's not really necessary, and is often counter-intuitive (farming, for example) but sure.. you can definitely do whatever you want.

If you're doing it beyond that, I'm probably going to boot you from the pt.

You seem to be contending that including a BLM in your PT is a good use of the spot out of anything more than charity, which basically negate anything else you said and is well.. hilarious. As I said, if your tank is absorbing all the incoming damage, you should be kicking all of the other members of your party.. because that is an atrocious setup. Ele wheel or not, if a NIN is keeping hate for more than a few seconds in an XP party, you're probably letting someone leech.

I think the two of us are just happy with two very different XP experiences. That's okay.


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Neither of you know what you're talking about.



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That's a tough look. Good luck with that lol.

Both of us know what we're talking about, and that's why this is such a great conversation lol. Have a good one NIN master.


Yawn.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:13 pm 
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My ninja will put yours to shame in a merit party and i dual box shit nin and rdm without ever touching ninjutsu nukes because my melee set is not gimped. There may be some tiny span between 40-55 where it can produce a little extra damage because nin melee is somewhat weak in that range but you're over there swinging your katanas for 16 points of damage in (mid 50's?). You seem extra weak.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:21 pm 
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Getting back on topic.

What other strats/jobs are good for this? I was thinking of running this for the PCA.

I see Aeroo saying /rdm or /blm and stacking INT gear. Would that be for both NINs using the 2xNIN+RDM strat?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:25 pm 
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Trematode04 wrote:
Getting back on topic.

What other strats/jobs are good for this? I was thinking of running this for the PCA.

I see Aeroo saying /rdm or /blm and stacking INT gear. Would that be for both NINs using the 2xNIN+RDM strat?


Rng are also supposed to be good DD for this since they are unaffected by paralyze for ranged attacks but I have no witnessed it myself to see how good it is. Blu is amazing. The good blus I've run with typically can kill their eye significantly faster than i can kill mine and I am a try hard with the absolute best int set you can have for lvl 40 for the random times I do this fight. Saltys sam strat sounds like itd probly be fine since ws's are also unaffected by para but seems like it could be kinda messy for the big eye at the end. 3 smns can apparently do the whole thing pretty easy too. smn rdm nin blu rng sam seems like plenty of options.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:35 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
My ninja will put yours to shame in a merit party and i dual box shit nin and rdm without ever touching ninjutsu nukes because my melee set is not gimped. You're over here at lvl 50ish swinging on beetles for 20 with your katanas dude. You're clearly geared for nin nukes and not for melee. It's cool if you wanna be a Dashie. He's the only one who ever swore by ninja nukes. People didn't like him much either.


Barely ever missing on IT+ means my melee set isn't gimp either. I suppose you want me to drop the ACC and go for ATTK, which would obviously result in a much slower TTK. I saw this coming: "You intentionally gimped your melee and buffed your nukes to skew the results!" I even popped a sushi just to make things fair. Show me some proof that NIN's are supposed to do noticeably more melee damage at that level, or your point is moot. Zon has 0 merits btw, so there's that.

Are you actually brain-dead? Can you read? In my very first response, I said all mobs/content from 40~60, or "Ni to Jin", which is basically the same thing. This is the window we're talking about. Are you with me Aeroo? Is anyone home? Here's the truth: I'm geared for both melee and nukes. Arguing with you two is like arguing with a flat-earther after showing them video that the Earth is actually round.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:38 pm 
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Trematode04 wrote:
Getting back on topic.

What other strats/jobs are good for this? I was thinking of running this for the PCA.

I see Aeroo saying /rdm or /blm and stacking INT gear. Would that be for both NINs using the 2xNIN+RDM strat?


To answer the second half of your question, yes. This setup is probably the most reliable.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:41 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
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My ninja will put yours to shame in a merit party and i dual box shit nin and rdm without ever touching ninjutsu nukes because my melee set is not gimped. You're over here at lvl 50ish swinging on beetles for 20 with your katanas dude. You're clearly geared for nin nukes and not for melee. It's cool if you wanna be a Dashie. He's the only one who ever swore by ninja nukes. People didn't like him much either.


Barely ever missing on IT+ means my melee set isn't gimp either. I suppose you want me to drop the ACC and go for ATTK, which would obviously result in a much slower TTK. I saw this coming: "You intentionally gimped your melee and buffed your nukes to skew the results!" I even popped a sushi just to make things fair. Show me some proof that NIN's are supposed to do noticeably more melee damage at that level, or your point is moot. Zon has 0 merits btw, so there's that.

Are you actually brain-dead? Can you read? In my very first response, I said all mobs/content from 40~60, or "Ni to Jin", which is basically the same thing. This is the window we're talking about. Are you with me Aeroo? Is anyone home? Here's the truth: I'm geared for both melee and nukes. Arguing with you two is like arguing with a flat-earther after showing them video that the Earth is actually round.


Guess I missed the ni to jin comment in your wall of text. Sure use your nukes. Sorry the original comment got your panties in a bunch about the best way to play ninja between 40-55 in an exp party.

Edit: By the way, this isn't 2005. We have mixed acc and attack food now. Sushi is for highly evasive things. Use akamochi or pizza and then maybe your katanas won't be so weak.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:02 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
Guess I missed the ni to jin comment in your wall of text. Sure use your nukes. Sorry the original comment got your panties in a bunch about the best way to play ninja between 40-55 in an exp party.

Edit: By the way, this isn't 2005. We have mixed acc and attack food now. Sushi is for highly evasive things. Use akamochi or pizza and then maybe your katanas won't be so weak.


XooZQ wrote:
Misinformation like this is why most NIN's need a THF in party post-Ni and pre-Jin. You're a silly person if you think excluding half of Ninja's tool-set, which makes it both a melee and a veritable RDM, when mobs are resistant to one or the other, enabling it to do infinite nuke damage without resting, for kiting purposes, or needing to face away from a mob that has its most powerful weapon in a gaze attack.
<< Wall o' Text. AKA "Didn't read, don't care."

It doesn't matter what year it is, you capitalize on your strengths, not supplement your weaknesses. So, in this particular instance, the method of attack that's doing a fraction of the main method is not getting the worm. mE bLm goT sTaFf sWinG aWay.

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XooZQ wrote:
Aeroo wrote:
Guess I missed the ni to jin comment in your wall of text. Sure use your nukes. Sorry the original comment got your panties in a bunch about the best way to play ninja between 40-55 in an exp party.

Edit: By the way, this isn't 2005. We have mixed acc and attack food now. Sushi is for highly evasive things. Use akamochi or pizza and then maybe your katanas won't be so weak.


XooZQ wrote:
Misinformation like this is why most NIN's need a THF in party post-Ni and pre-Jin. You're a silly person if you think excluding half of Ninja's tool-set, which makes it both a melee and a veritable RDM, when mobs are resistant to one or the other, enabling it to do infinite nuke damage without resting, for kiting purposes, or needing to face away from a mob that has its most powerful weapon in a gaze attack.
<< Wall o' Text. AKA "Didn't read, don't care."

It doesn't matter what year it is, you capitalize on your strengths, not supplement your weaknesses. So, in this particular instance, the method of attack that's doing a fraction of the main method is not getting the worm. mE bLm goT sTaFf sWinG aWay.


Great point. Did you try using better food yet?

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