Peace, man. Got things to do.

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CaNt ArGuE mY pOiNt.

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Ah, Dashie .. That's who it was. Couldn't come up with the name, haha.

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The literal goat.

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I've been running it nin/rdm, and my biggest advice is make sure both nins eat a parfait, that was a game changer for us. Once we both equipped about +10 int before the parfait it went from ninjutsu doing 63~ on a non resist to 91~ so it's a very noticeable difference.

That video is extremely skewed for a variety of reasons. You're trying to argue you "kill twice as fast" with the Ele Wheel, but you're killing mobs in a setup that favors nukes over melee, that is, without brd or cor buffs present. Once either (or, ideally, both) of those are present, katanas start to pick up. And if you want to argue exping or doing any content without brd or cor, then I have nothing left to say to you, except have a good day. This is in addition to the already mentioned use of att+acc food, instead of plain acc food.

With that being said, I'm a firm advocate of Ele Wheel on certain stuff. Let's break it down "Ni to Jin":

•UO BCNM (the topic at hand!) - definitely use it, great damage if geared for it, using /RDM or /BLM, and a parfait.

•CoP Missions - definitely use it but be careful with your subjob; certain jobs get a massive power boost at 40, so they will pull hate even off a taru nin/rdm with max gear on stuff that matters. Trash mobs are a-okay. Voke is nice.

•OWNM40 – Good here as well, pretty solid damage with a lot of survivability. Most people prefer RNG or BLM for damage, but NIN does some serious work if geared appropriately.

•XP 40-50 (mostly Crawler's Nest, not gonna go into details of other, better camps):

o40-43 you're gonna get A LOT of benefit from Ele Wheel cause your DDs (and your katanas) are still "getting there".
oOnce you hit 44 and you transition from mostly crawlers to mostly flies, your katanas will start obliterating crawlers, and will start doing acceptable damage on flies - but still outdamaged by the wheel. The problem here is Cursed motherfucking Sphere. Every nin nuke gives the mob 110 TP, twice as much as a melee round. You have to make a call here depending on your healer.
oFrom 46 onwards, the Ele Wheel falls drastically behind, as your own katanas’ and your DD’s output skyrockets and you’re hitting high chains

•OWNM50 – Pretty meh damage, even if geared for it; severely outdone by RNG and BLM, but I guess you can make do with Ele Wheel if NIN is all you have.

•XP 51-53 (KRT) – Ele Wheel can work, but there is no way you’ll keep hate after Penta has been used (perhaps at 51 if your SAM/WAR/DRG dds are not using full acc gear on Penta, but for this whole post I’m assuming non-brain-dead players). After 50 you gain Double Attack, so katanas start to pull ahead even more.

•XP 53-60 (Wajaom) – Exactly the same as above. As Wolf said, you’re a first voker to allow your DDs to retain their TP (and health). Birds are evasive as fuck at first, so you should be using cheap sushi, like Crab Sushi, to ensure you’re landing enough hits to keep their attention on you.

In conclusion, Ele Wheel is a very nice tool, but it’s not the end-all, be-all you’re making it out to be. It has its uses and its drawbacks, and it takes a mature NIN to understand when and where to use it properly.

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RichFatKids - rfklinkshell.com

I was going to spend a few hours picking this apart, doing another video with BRD and NIN, using pizza over sushi, but there's no point. Do you know why that is? Because everyone that's argued with me here is missing the point. My only contention with Aeroo's statement, which he ultimately agreed with, is that he stated, "NIN nukes are useless outside of this fight". He was wrong about trash mobs and event mobs outside of UO. You yourself are agreeing with me too, and arguing against things I never said, for what reason I don't know.

BRD's and COR's on tap? Please, show me your personal reservoir, at least where EXP is concerned. If you won't grind without them, then, wouldn't that negate the EXP/hr you might have gained from their presence? Maybe you have an LS that has sync mules on each job specifically for this purpose, but most of us aren't that fortunate.

You and Wolf/(Starbright? I don't know, I've never been banned in my career. Never been dumb enough to risk everything for short term gain.), seem to think that every grind party is made of pure gold, that the best I've experienced is 5k/hr in a mere 15 years playing this game. Again, you may grind with only your LS mates, and never encounter a shitty player or two dragging things down. Trust me, if I could pull a great setup right out of my ass at any moment I chose, I'd definitely do it. But, reality says otherwise. Great is awesome, and good is good enough.

And for the record, I will take a good BLM over a couple of mediocre SAM's any day. Hell, I'll take a good BLM over a good SAM, and whatever you think about that is irrelevant to me. And we are not discussing more Captain Obvious things like yOu LiKe bLm oN cOliBri aNd uSe wHeEl oN cOliBri hUrR!!! Yes, so there's 5 levels on ToAU mobs where using them isn't the best idea. Which, ironically, leads me back around to my original point that the wheel provides a useful option where a particular mob is resistant to either magic or melee.

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It’s clear to me we experience the game very differently. I’d never consider exping without a brd or a cor, simply because I don’t want to have a bad time in a party. Ironically enough, the only time I’d exp without either of those jobs would be WITH my LS mates, as they are generally geared to the teeth and know how to play their jobs. For the record, I’d wager I only exped with LS mates around 20% of all my parties (I’m a filthy EU in a NA LS).

As you can see, I have a Maat’s cap. The way I got it was simple: only exp when a brd or a cor are available (and PL my own parties). I always look at the level range for seeking and non-seeking brds and cors. If neither are available, I go craft, farm, camp a NM, or help out LS members – all while running periodic searches for cors and brds in the level range I’m in. It also helps noting down the names of brds and cors you encounter in your range, as they might be on another job when you’re trying to exp again – you’d be surprised how many people actually want to stop what they’re doing to go exp with you, as long as your original party was good.

I agree with your statement of disagreement with Aeroo’s comment – which was later clarified to be the byproduct of misunderstanding the OP.
And come on, you had some credibility until you said you’d take a good BLM before a good SAM in XP

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RichFatKids - rfklinkshell.com

Getting Maat's Cap in about a year is impressive, to say the least. How long have you had it? The terrible shame and guilt having to be that lowly BST, BLM, WHM, RDM, SMN, THF, PLD, NIN, NIN, NIN in the group must've been hard on you. Killing everyone's max/hr like that. I know I would feel terrible.

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Then please start making parties around the 50s, because I'm a BLM with basically maxed gear and I'm basically useless compared to a shitty geared WAR with a polearm.

on that note, Kulgan.. make a pt.

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