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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:48 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
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Gear doesn't make you. What you do and can do makes you. And you're BLM, so... sorry, you won't be getting an invite from Kulgan. The fact is, you want someone like me to invite you, because my values are different from Kulgan's. Do you see how this philosophy of supreme efficiency fails yet? If nobody can level BLM because reasons, then who's gonna nuke Nidhogg?

No, let's be real here. Gear and merits make you.

A well geared player just facing the mob and pushing a weaponskill button when they get 1k TP is going to outdamage someone with mediocre gear, playing the same job, making better use of their cooldowns, etc.

FFXI is a game where doing damage is more a matter of having the right gear than anything else. This isn't a game where you have some complex DPS rotation. You have some long cooldown job abilities, you have autoattacks, and you have weaponskills. You're not running around dodging mob abilities while trying to keep up a rotation. You're standing there autoattacking a mob and pushing a weaponskill macro.


Aaand, late to the game dude, AKA BIG BRO HALP HE'S BEING REALLY MEAN, hello.

As I told the other half-wit, slap a busload of HQ on an absolute newbie, and see what he does with it. And then see what I mean. And then shut the fuck up.

Give me 5 minutes with the absolute newbie to help them with macros and yeah, I'll take them over a seasoned player with shit gear any day. FFXI is a game where the vast majority of "skill", particularly in doing damage, is just knowing how to gear, how to write macros to use the gear, and when to use your limited number of cooldowns.

I see idiots, newbs, and players I wouldn't trust to tank shadowlord regularly out damage players that have significantly better mechanics all because they have better gear and merits.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:52 pm 
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cthalupa wrote:
XooZQ wrote:
cthalupa wrote:
No, let's be real here. Gear and merits make you.

A well geared player just facing the mob and pushing a weaponskill button when they get 1k TP is going to outdamage someone with mediocre gear, playing the same job, making better use of their cooldowns, etc.

FFXI is a game where doing damage is more a matter of having the right gear than anything else. This isn't a game where you have some complex DPS rotation. You have some long cooldown job abilities, you have autoattacks, and you have weaponskills. You're not running around dodging mob abilities while trying to keep up a rotation. You're standing there autoattacking a mob and pushing a weaponskill macro.


Aaand, late to the game dude, AKA BIG BRO HALP HE'S BEING REALLY MEAN, hello.

As I told the other half-wit, slap a busload of HQ on an absolute newbie, and see what he does with it. And then see what I mean. And then shut the fuck up.

Give me 5 minutes with the absolute newbie to help them with macros and yeah, I'll take them over a seasoned player with shit gear any day. FFXI is a game where the vast majority of "skill", particularly in doing damage, is just knowing how to gear, how to write macros to use the gear, and when to use your limited number of cooldowns.

I see idiots, newbs, and players I wouldn't trust to tank shadowlord regularly out damage players that have significantly better mechanics all because they have better gear and merits.


Yeah, and then misconstrue what I originally said to defend some argument that was never stated in order to get your 2 cents in because you think I care what you think. WHY THIS WHOLE GODDAMN THING STARTED.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:00 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
cthalupa wrote:
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Aaand, late to the game dude, AKA BIG BRO HALP HE'S BEING REALLY MEAN, hello.

As I told the other half-wit, slap a busload of HQ on an absolute newbie, and see what he does with it. And then see what I mean. And then shut the fuck up.

Give me 5 minutes with the absolute newbie to help them with macros and yeah, I'll take them over a seasoned player with shit gear any day. FFXI is a game where the vast majority of "skill", particularly in doing damage, is just knowing how to gear, how to write macros to use the gear, and when to use your limited number of cooldowns.

I see idiots, newbs, and players I wouldn't trust to tank shadowlord regularly out damage players that have significantly better mechanics all because they have better gear and merits.


Yeah, and then misconstrue what I originally said to defend some argument that was never stated in order to get your 2 cents in because you think I care what you think. WHY THIS WHOLE GODDAMN THING STARTED.

You're making up insane scenarios. Why would someone who has never played the game have a bunch of great gear? How would they have it? How would they be there? How would they even know how to flag up for a party and get to a camp?

It's a dumb hypothetical, so I responded to it. In reality most players in FFXI are close enough to the skill cap when it comes to XP parties that the largest differentiating factor is gear and merits.

I generally have wherewithal to argue with the terminally stupid - just look at my post history! - but the reality here is that without parsers being allowed, I can't just easily show you how wrong you are.

Keep wasting money on ele wheel tools when they make negligible difference and are likely resulting in you delaying melee swings. I'm not going to be partying with you, and it's not my money, so no skin off my nose.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:02 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
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I'm amused he's still on that hill 4 years later

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1690&p=7285#p7285


Never had problems then, don't have problems now.


I would actually be interested to see you show some data on this now if you're so gung-ho on it.

Given the state of the server back then with mob magic defense being so undertuned and offensive magic being overpowered across the board, I can kinda see your defense of it back then. Now though, with many updates and patches under the server hood, I'd be curious to see you prove it.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:05 pm 
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cthalupa wrote:
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It's a dumb hypothetical, so I responded to it. In reality most players in FFXI are close enough to the skill cap when it comes to XP parties that the largest differentiating factor is gear and merits.

I generally have wherewithal to argue with the terminally stupid - just look at my post history! - but the reality here is that without parsers being allowed, I can't just easily show you how wrong you are.

Keep wasting money on ele wheel tools when they make negligible difference and are likely resulting in you delaying melee swings. I'm not going to be partying with you, and it's not my money, so no skin off my nose.


No you moron, it's called a euphemism, used to illustrate a point. If I'm terminally stupid, then I'm talking to fucking ghost.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:07 pm 
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Epyon wrote:
XooZQ wrote:
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I'm amused he's still on that hill 4 years later

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1690&p=7285#p7285


Never had problems then, don't have problems now.


I would actually be interested to see you show some data on this now if you're so gung-ho on it.

Given the state of the server back then with mob magic defense being so undertuned and offensive magic being overpowered across the board, I can kinda see your defense of it back then. Now though, with many updates and patches under the server hood, I'd be curious to see you prove it.


Omg dude, Epyon. Look. Please. You people are literally driving me insane. If you don't have the time to rewind all the way back to where this started, and even where the people who disagreed with me originally came around and said, "Hey, yeah, we agree.", please, FUCK OFF.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:09 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
cthalupa wrote:
XooZQ wrote:
It's a dumb hypothetical, so I responded to it. In reality most players in FFXI are close enough to the skill cap when it comes to XP parties that the largest differentiating factor is gear and merits.

I generally have wherewithal to argue with the terminally stupid - just look at my post history! - but the reality here is that without parsers being allowed, I can't just easily show you how wrong you are.

Keep wasting money on ele wheel tools when they make negligible difference and are likely resulting in you delaying melee swings. I'm not going to be partying with you, and it's not my money, so no skin off my nose.


No you moron, it's called a euphemism, used to illustrate a point. If I'm terminally stupid, then I'm talking to fucking ghost.

So, your understanding of the English language is as poor as your understanding of ffxi.

Tool is an euphemism for penis.
"slap a busload of HQ on an absolute newbie, and see what he does with it" is a hypothetical scenario
You are a tool

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:11 pm 
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cthalupa wrote:
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No you moron, it's called a euphemism, used to illustrate a point. If I'm terminally stupid, then I'm talking to fucking ghost.

So, your understanding of the English language is as poor as your understanding of ffxi.

Tool is an euphemism for penis.
"slap a busload of HQ on an absolute newbie, and see what he does with it" is a hypothetical scenario
You are a tool


And this is precisely why this has gone on for 9234239423423 pages. Not one of you has stopped to absorb what was actually said, and are making arguments up out of thin air.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:12 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
Epyon wrote:
XooZQ wrote:

Never had problems then, don't have problems now.


I would actually be interested to see you show some data on this now if you're so gung-ho on it.

Given the state of the server back then with mob magic defense being so undertuned and offensive magic being overpowered across the board, I can kinda see your defense of it back then. Now though, with many updates and patches under the server hood, I'd be curious to see you prove it.


Omg dude, Epyon. Look. Please. You people are literally driving me insane. If you don't have the time to rewind all the way back to where this started, and even where the people who disagreed with me originally came around and said, "Hey, yeah, we agree.", please, FUCK OFF.


Finished the other half of that vodka bottle have we? ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:13 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
cthalupa wrote:
XooZQ wrote:

No you moron, it's called a euphemism, used to illustrate a point. If I'm terminally stupid, then I'm talking to fucking ghost.

So, your understanding of the English language is as poor as your understanding of ffxi.

Tool is an euphemism for penis.
"slap a busload of HQ on an absolute newbie, and see what he does with it" is a hypothetical scenario
You are a tool


And this is precisely why this has gone on for 9234239423423 pages. Not one of you has stopped to absorb what was actually said, and are making arguments up out of thin air.

This has gone on for so many pages because you're dumber than a sack of rocks, dude.

You are the first person I have ever seen confuse the concepts of euphemisms and hypothetical scenarios.

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