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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:26 pm 
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Starbright wrote:
also.. to be clear, I wasn't saying he was doing the animation trick. I was saying that Hout's not smart enough to be doing any of them.. that crafting's real simple. You put the items in and then pray.


Apparently smart enough to do something that got his alt banned shortly after his string of HQs.

And it's not the animation trick people think he is doing. They think he is using alts to dup hides/leathers because people have seen the quantity of dusk gloves he's making in south sandy and aware of the hide market and the numbers simply do not add up. Drop the alt being banned into the evidence bin and it's not hard to draw some conclusions there.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:05 pm 
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Just looking at our past tods within one week we killed Behe on 07-08,07-10,07-14 we feed our hides to hout just yesterday he was traded 5 I think just because he doesn't no life the AH for hides doesn't mean he does not have a way to obtain them.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:44 pm 
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Frostyyy wrote:
Just looking at our past tods within one week we killed Behe on 07-08,07-10,07-14 we feed our hides to hout just yesterday he was traded 5 I think just because he doesn't no life the AH for hides doesn't mean he does not have a way to obtain them.


Almost every endgame LS does the same. I wasn't saying the supply doesn't add up because he wasn't buying them from the auction house, I was saying the supply doesn't add up from the server period based on the number of hides produced in a week/month/etc.

Let's also all continue to ignore the fact that he had a character banned.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:46 pm 
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Big deal my mule got banned in the past as well for some white collar rule breaking


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:39 pm 
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His alt was banned for something that was unrelated to crafting in anyway.

Also, you think Nas (the person who literally banned most of China at one point because he couldn’t figure out how to tell them apart) would just ban Hout’s alt for duping mats for his main, and not the name with all the gil from that cheating? You’ve gotta either be stupid or a liar, I’ll let you pick homie.

Also, his alt was banned quite a bit before he started crafting really.. and again, for something unrelated. If you know about Nas’s banning decisions, it’s not hard to determine why someone’s alt gets banned but not their main. They engage in things that are directly related to that one character. A lot of people were doing it around that time.

At any rate, I wish you the best of luck with the crusade but you could probably focus on things with more evidence than your belief that he couldn’t possibly get b hides because you can’t.

Question: How many b hides do you think he’s synthed? Because honestly, with the number of synths he’s done, you’d have a much better case that he’s cheating for HQ rate than duping the mats. Just a crazy good run. GovHQ for sure.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:51 pm 
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Starbright wrote:
His alt was banned for something that was unrelated to crafting in anyway.

Also, you think Nas (the person who literally banned most of China at one point because he couldn’t figure out how to tell them apart) would just ban Hout’s alt for duping mats for his main, and not the name with all the gil from that cheating? You’ve gotta either be stupid or a liar, I’ll let you pick homie.

Also, his alt was banned quite a bit before he started crafting really.. and again, for something unrelated. If you know about Nas’s banning decisions, it’s not hard to determine why someone’s alt gets banned but not their main. They engage in things that are directly related to that one character. A lot of people were doing it around that time.

At any rate, I wish you the best of luck with the crusade but you could probably focus on things with more evidence than your belief that he couldn’t possibly get b hides because you can’t.

Question: How many b hides do you think he’s synthed? Because honestly, with the number of synths he’s done, you’d have a much better case that he’s cheating for HQ rate than duping the mats. Just a crazy good run. GovHQ for sure.


Just gonna say that Nas doesn't do IP bans anymore. He only bans the character caught doing something wrong. Fujin showing up in Jueno weeks after his alt was banned for craft exploiting is proof of that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:01 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
Starbright wrote:
His alt was banned for something that was unrelated to crafting in anyway.

Also, you think Nas (the person who literally banned most of China at one point because he couldn’t figure out how to tell them apart) would just ban Hout’s alt for duping mats for his main, and not the name with all the gil from that cheating? You’ve gotta either be stupid or a liar, I’ll let you pick homie.

Also, his alt was banned quite a bit before he started crafting really.. and again, for something unrelated. If you know about Nas’s banning decisions, it’s not hard to determine why someone’s alt gets banned but not their main. They engage in things that are directly related to that one character. A lot of people were doing it around that time.

At any rate, I wish you the best of luck with the crusade but you could probably focus on things with more evidence than your belief that he couldn’t possibly get b hides because you can’t.

Question: How many b hides do you think he’s synthed? Because honestly, with the number of synths he’s done, you’d have a much better case that he’s cheating for HQ rate than duping the mats. Just a crazy good run. GovHQ for sure.


Just gonna say that Nas doesn't do IP bans anymore. He only bans the character caught doing something wrong. Fujin showing up in Jueno weeks after his alt was banned for craft exploiting is proof of that.



I mean.. he did IP bans as recently as like... 5~ months ago? Around when Hout's alt was banned he was still doing them.

Fujin not being banned could also be proof that no one has any idea what his alt was actually banned for, or Nas had proof that if it was for duping that it never involved giving anything back to Fujin. I'm going to go with people just being wrong with what Fujin actually got punished for, not that Nas would ever bother answering such things anymore.

To think Nas would see someone duping something like Behemoth hides, and then trading them all to a main where they are being used to make ungodly amounts of gil... and Nas would just ban the alt that is doing the duping requires such a suspension of disbelief, I can't help you guys.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:05 pm 
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Starbright wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Starbright wrote:
His alt was banned for something that was unrelated to crafting in anyway.

Also, you think Nas (the person who literally banned most of China at one point because he couldn’t figure out how to tell them apart) would just ban Hout’s alt for duping mats for his main, and not the name with all the gil from that cheating? You’ve gotta either be stupid or a liar, I’ll let you pick homie.

Also, his alt was banned quite a bit before he started crafting really.. and again, for something unrelated. If you know about Nas’s banning decisions, it’s not hard to determine why someone’s alt gets banned but not their main. They engage in things that are directly related to that one character. A lot of people were doing it around that time.

At any rate, I wish you the best of luck with the crusade but you could probably focus on things with more evidence than your belief that he couldn’t possibly get b hides because you can’t.

Question: How many b hides do you think he’s synthed? Because honestly, with the number of synths he’s done, you’d have a much better case that he’s cheating for HQ rate than duping the mats. Just a crazy good run. GovHQ for sure.


Just gonna say that Nas doesn't do IP bans anymore. He only bans the character caught doing something wrong. Fujin showing up in Jueno weeks after his alt was banned for craft exploiting is proof of that.


I mean.. he did IP bans as recently as like... 5~ months ago? Around when Hout's alt was banned he was still doing them.

Fujin not being banned could also be proof that no one has any idea what his alt was actually banned for, or Nas had proof that if it was for duping that it never involved giving anything back to Fujin. I'm going to go with people just being wrong with what Fujin actually got punished for, not that Nas would ever bother answering such things anymore.


If I had to guess it's probably your point about not giving anything back to Fujin. Back when I got my previous characters jailed (10-ish months ago?), I only ever directly participated in shenanigans on my main, but I had stored some of the stuff on my city mule and bought/traded things to my alt, and all three got tossed in Mordion.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:07 pm 
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Gollum wrote:
Starbright wrote:
Kazen wrote:

Just gonna say that Nas doesn't do IP bans anymore. He only bans the character caught doing something wrong. Fujin showing up in Jueno weeks after his alt was banned for craft exploiting is proof of that.


I mean.. he did IP bans as recently as like... 5~ months ago? Around when Hout's alt was banned he was still doing them.

Fujin not being banned could also be proof that no one has any idea what his alt was actually banned for, or Nas had proof that if it was for duping that it never involved giving anything back to Fujin. I'm going to go with people just being wrong with what Fujin actually got punished for, not that Nas would ever bother answering such things anymore.


If I had to guess it's probably your point about not giving anything back to Fujin. Back when I got my previous characters jailed (10-ish months ago?), I only ever directly participated in shenanigans on my main, but I had stored some of the stuff on my city mule and bought/traded things to my alt, and all three got tossed in Mordion.


Yeah, when in doubt of anything.. Nas just bans all of the characters linked to a forum account. When he doesn't it's usually for a specific reason that can't impact the other characters on an account (such as EXP exploits)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:26 pm 
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Byakko regularly drops B Hides as well. I've sold a bunch to Hout in the past.


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