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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:48 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
My only question is, if you knew the drops were garbage, why would you spend any time trying to solo it?


It's fun to solo things!

For a while I was wondering around on NIN looking for these kinds of challenges. I came across Diamond Daig in Quicksand caves and decided to give it a shot before looking it up. I was level 60. Needless to say I wiped and then immediately changed to /whm and came back. I recall it took something like 1 hour and 300 ele wheel tools and a lot of shihei and a few close calls but I got there in the end, it was so satisfying mainly because I was 10 levels below the NM and there wasn't much room for error (hence /whm because i had to divine seal cure a few times).

Good times :)


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XooZQ wrote:
My only question is, if you knew the drops were garbage, why would you spend any time trying to solo it?


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I really enjoyed playing and testing the server's game mechanics when I was active and thought I'd propose a challenge, to see if anyone could solo BCNM40 - The Worm's Turn. I'm only doing this to encourage players to try something new aside from their usual activities. I also think it'd be fun.


When you've been on the server as long as I have, you need to find ways to keep yourself busy and entertained.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:51 pm 
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seventythree19 wrote:
It's fun to solo things!


That's all good and fine, but you weren't spending anything to attempt it...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:14 pm 
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nemesis earring isnt bad. whats the hq worth now 3-5m?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:06 am 
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(Optional: No macros for spells or abilities, cast from your list, I do everything manually, so should you. Macros for gear swapping is fine.)


lol


If this is too much of a handicap, there's a reason why it's optional. But you'll find doing things manually makes playing the game feel more alive and interactive rather than just going Alt/Ctrl #.

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Only the rules listed above are counted, if I see anything done that's not on this list, I won't count it as a legit run.


solo is only solo if central says so


I'm guessing you're one of those people who think dual boxing = solo. No, a solo is using only one character. Seij is a great example of another player who solos things on his NIN.

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Reasoning for these rules is because these are what I limited myself to
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this isnt good reasoning.


Perhaps, but there should be some challenge to it. It really isn't exciting watching a person rely on medicine for 90% of their survival. But if your inventory allows and it makes you feel better about yourself, by all means fill your bag with it. Doesn't seem very profitable otherwise.

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If you can do it under the above conditions, I will reward the first person to do it 300K (or 1 of each 100 currency) and 650K (or 2 of each 100 currency) if they do it without food or medicine (you can still bring and use Echo Drops).


lol i can make more gil in the time I've spent on this thread


Thanks for the contribution. Because I don't play much anymore, that also means there's no reason for me to farm anymore. I have most of what I need and with the server being stagnant as it is... #justnasomithings. Also most of my gil went to Ob, the dumbest T1 ZNM gilsink ever with incomplete drops.

B> Missing/Yet to be seen Attachments: LMK if you have seen these though.
Reactive Shield
Tranquilizer
Schurzen
Dynamo
Optic Fiber
Economizer

I offered what I did without going completely broke, that gives you an indication of how much actual gil I have left on my person. There's also 2M on the line now, so...

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Seem unreasonable? Well, it's a good thing I'm not forcing you to do it nor are you obligated to do it.


translation: "if you don't agree with me its your fault and IDC"


I mean you're not wrong, but again I'm not forcing anyone to take on the challenge unless they think they can do it. I wouldn't do it unless I think I could, but I did. Also, no, it's not their fault, what are you on about.

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I'm currently injured ATM but I'll check ASAP if it can still be done when I'm better. If it can't I'll have to rescind this challenge, apologies in advance. Feel free to PM me the video so I can take a look at the monster placements.


wow so much projection i dont even know where to start

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:58 am 
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XooZQ wrote:
seventythree19 wrote:
It's fun to solo things!


That's all good and fine, but you weren't spending anything to attempt it...


I spent my time and probably 200k in nin tools and such.

If you're seriously considering taking up a challenge like this I think you know you're not doing it for the reward, it's for the accomplishment.

Seems like fun but lolgalkamp might be a problem.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:28 pm 
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This is how it all happened...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK_zPz1KSa8

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:05 pm 
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And this is where we're at on Diabolos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20F2DuFDgyY

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:53 pm 
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Back to the subject at hand, I don't think this BC can be solo'd by any job. On the other hand, I absolutely do
think it could be duo'd by NIN/WAR & BLM/WHM. NIN + BRD might be a viable alternative, but I don't think
you'd be able to deal enough damage in time.

- BLM opens with ES > Sleepga on Franz, resulting in draw-in
- BLM Silence Franz > NIN voke
- BLM Manafont and single-target nuke Franz, NIN melee/wheel-spam
(NIN should be able to keep hate off BLM; Kill Franz AFAP!)
- When Franz is dead, pull out of the circle immediately and
Aeroga > Sleepga the closest worm on the inner ring.
- Silence the closest worm, sending NIN in with nukes/ranged while
BLM rests.
- Repeat until all are dead.

The normal worms are only Even Match, so they should go down fairly quickly despite their number. Franz
is the only IT mob. If you wanna get fancy, and somehow have Staff skill 120+, you can bring an Icarus
Wing for each and do Blade: Retsu > Earth Crusher > Aeroga > MB x 16. This would be a bit more dangerous
because you're waking up all the worms while you're still in the fray.

Obviously, bring meds for both just in case. I'll try this at some point, but I'm busy with Diabolos.

Happy Hunting.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:46 pm 
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XooZQ wrote:
This is how it all happened...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK_zPz1KSa8


After reviewing this video, I went ahead and checked for myself and the fight was indeed altered. Thank you, much appreciated for the post.

This brings up a conversation I had with someone just a few hours ago, the fact that this change happened sometime between after I went public with my video back in June and now really shows where the server's priority really is.

OWNMs (20-40 and a few 50 which aren't needed anymore) can be killed every 12 hours and flood the server with items, but as soon as a BCNM can be solo'd using finite resources and tons of preparation, it gets 'fixed'. Amazing logic.

I'm temporarily rescinding my challenge. Fortunately, it looks like there is still a possibility of completing it, it just needs to be approached differently. I'll tackle it once I'm healed up from my injury.


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