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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:11 am 
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Trist wrote:
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Given the lack of content, MPK should be encouraged.

Final frontier in terms of content.


I've put about 100 days of playtime into each of my main/alt characters since re-rolling a while back - that's almost 200 days of content right there!


So when he told us about 200 days of content at tia, he was just talking to oc and zigma?

fuck


Not gonna lie I laughed out loud at this one. A+

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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:49 am 
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Vivix wrote:
especially in an area like sky where there are plenty of safe spaces to afk.



If Nasomi were to reverse his decision, effectively changing his rule for you, then where will these miracle "safe spaces to afk" be that you couldn't just aggro/Flee a mob to them and then Hide?

If you were to actually apply some logic to your own thoughts, what you are really saying is no place ever should be safe to AFK. Actually just come out and say that, and I think people would respect what you are saying more. Maybe....

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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:25 am 
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Seriously who cares? Nas should have never banned Vivix for such trivial matters.

What he should have done instead is investigate further the group of 20+ clowns who single-handedly destroyed the economy by duping everything under the sun.

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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:11 am 
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Camper wrote:
Seriously who cares? Nas should have never banned Vivix for such trivial matters.

What he should have done instead is investigate further the group of 20+ clowns who single-handedly destroyed the economy by duping everything under the sun.


It's much more than 20. Nas said he banned over 250 chars the 2 days he went ham. Whether or not all for duping, I'd bet at least 100 were.

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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:46 am 
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Bielsa wrote:
Camper wrote:
Seriously who cares? Nas should have never banned Vivix for such trivial matters.

What he should have done instead is investigate further the group of 20+ clowns who single-handedly destroyed the economy by duping everything under the sun.


It's much more than 20. Nas said he banned over 250 chars the 2 days he went ham. Whether or not all for duping, I'd bet at least 100 were.

Could have been 20 people controlling 250 chars.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:00 pm 
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Knarlfist wrote:
If Nasomi were to reverse his decision, effectively changing his rule for you, then where will these miracle "safe spaces to afk" be that you couldn't just aggro/Flee a mob to them and then Hide?

If you were to actually apply some logic to your own thoughts, what you are really saying is no place ever should be safe to AFK. Actually just come out and say that, and I think people would respect what you are saying more. Maybe....


No miracles necessary. Any place where there aren't aggressive monsters spawning or roaming is safe. It's pretty simple. Someone mentioned the telepad earlier, that would be an example, although the premise is more of an exclusion of places where you are not safe to AFK versus where is safe, because the latter is plentiful. You know how when you look for an exp camp that doesn't have aggro so you don't deal with adds every 5 minutes? Same principle when you're afking. This point has already been beaten into the ground.

The actual argument is what I've stated many times before: any person who chooses to afk inside of an aggressive area has forfeited their right to live, thus any player performing actions inside of that area has no responsibility to ensure the life of that afk player. Flee/hiding a monster outside of its spawn area on top of a player is MPK. I never said it wasn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:51 pm 
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Vivix wrote:
Knarlfist wrote:
If Nasomi were to reverse his decision, effectively changing his rule for you, then where will these miracle "safe spaces to afk" be that you couldn't just aggro/Flee a mob to them and then Hide?

If you were to actually apply some logic to your own thoughts, what you are really saying is no place ever should be safe to AFK. Actually just come out and say that, and I think people would respect what you are saying more. Maybe....


No miracles necessary. Any place where there aren't aggressive monsters spawning or roaming is safe. It's pretty simple. Someone mentioned the telepad earlier, that would be an example, although the premise is more of an exclusion of places where you are not safe to AFK versus where is safe, because the latter is plentiful. You know how when you look for an exp camp that doesn't have aggro so you don't deal with adds every 5 minutes? Same principle when you're afking. This point has already been beaten into the ground.

The actual argument is what I've stated many times before: any person who chooses to afk inside of an aggressive area has forfeited their right to live, thus any player performing actions inside of that area has no responsibility to ensure the life of that afk player. Flee/hiding a monster outside of its spawn area on top of a player is MPK. I never said it wasn't.


I think everyone's point is, yes... You have stated that many times before. Your argument was proven wrong though, because you were banned for that...so obviously that is an incorrect argument.

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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:19 pm 
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Vivix wrote:
Flee/hiding a monster outside of its spawn area on top of a player is MPK. I never said it wasn't.


Kinda like how the image you posted shows.

We're all still eagerly awaiting your proof that shows Chess in a dangerous area. Your hesitancy to post it is presumably because it's either non-existent, forged (Mijin 2.0!) or inconclusive. The original ban was swift because the evidence was clear cut. It's your job to prove otherwise, but you won't post your defense. If you're not gonna help yourself, you're wasting your own time.

Maybe you are innocent, maybe you did have a hiccup and had to flee to safety. What I do know is, an innocent person would a) try everything possible to defend themselves and b) not wait until a year later then try their luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:17 am 
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Miku wrote:
Kinda like how the image you posted shows.

We're all still eagerly awaiting your proof that shows Chess in a dangerous area. Your hesitancy to post it is presumably because it's either non-existent, forged (Mijin 2.0!) or inconclusive. The original ban was swift because the evidence was clear cut. It's your job to prove otherwise, but you won't post your defense. If you're not gonna help yourself, you're wasting your own time.

Maybe you are innocent, maybe you did have a hiccup and had to flee to safety. What I do know is, an innocent person would a) try everything possible to defend themselves and b) not wait until a year later then try their luck.


The image posted does not show where Chess is at all. So you're either just flat out stupid or you've created a mental image of where he was to fit what you believe to be true. The question is whether it matters where Chess was.

Nas pulled the trigger because he had 3 things: well-known person on the server submitting a screenshot (who he may or may not know IRL, inclined to think he does based on Chess saying he would "get his [lazyenergy's] IP from nas"), a bunch of TS like yourself begging him to do it, and it was an easy thing to do. It makes sense and I can't blame him -- not many things he does are satisfying 1 click fixes. Probably felt nice to throw a banhammer on a player that people in his ear see as competition. And before you repeat that TS has no influence on Nas, Nabutso just posted a screenshot of a conversation where a TS member's name is casually brought up as testing part of the server's functions.

Also, I did not "wait a year." Nas has never acknowledged me either way, and I fully believe he did not even entertain the thought of where Chess was or if that would even matter when he banned me. Chess probably said he was at zone to shrine and Nas took it at face value because that makes the SS MPK. After months of me being on naschat, nas copypasted the MPK rule to me -- that was the first time I actually knew I was banned for MPK rather than the false flee-hack flag for using 5 powders and flee. I was also persistent for so long on the flee flag because numerous other players get false flagged for random stuff like Layo for saying something related to RMT (took him over a month to get out iirc) or Islandwalk zoning into jail from Boyahda because he had hate on VV?

Listen, no one here besides Nas is capable of unbanning me that I'm aware of. I'm more than happy to post the screenshot if Nas would ever reply and acknowledge my side of the story. In all likelihood he won't, he would rather just do the easy thing which is nothing, and I guess I can't blame him. But let's not kid ourselves and say the evidence was "clear cut." There is zero indication where Chess is based on that screenshot -- the question is whether that matters.


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 Post subject: Re: Selective editing
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:48 pm 
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Ready for an out-there tinfoil hat conspiracy theory?

I think Vivix saw the evidence Mijin fabricated and thought to himself "good idea!" He then posts this in that thread to get in touch with Mijin where nas can't see what they're discussing:

Shinomari wrote:
Mijin if this reaches you msg me on discord Mordion#3426


Vivix asks Mijin to fabricate the evidence he says will clear him. I think Mijin said he'd do it and put a USD price on it; Vivix doesn't want to pay until he knows nas will look at what he has. From Vivixes perspective, he's already banned and has nothing to lose if it's discovered to be fake, which would be a lot harder after all the elapsed time.


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