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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:30 pm 
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And sad part is that group of people doing OWNMs will control AH prices (keep increasing them) on them items. Take Utsutsemi: Ni for example. Last 3 sold by same person and price jump was almost double (400k to 500k and to 600k). How a poor guy who leveled WAR to 37 want's to main NIN to 75 can afford that? I think server is facing an issue. And a big one.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:31 pm 
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Aselius wrote:
I'm not a cheater


That wasn't my insinuation by any stretch. What I was merely saying is that Fafnir and Nidhogg are somewhat jokes if you exploit the poor coding of BLU spells. It wasn't intended to say doing so was against any rules. There are many things broken with the code but luckily a lot of the major things have been taken care of or are monitored by Nasomi. The game feels much more proper than it did a couple years ago for sure.

The definition of exploit is as follows:
Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

I know the term has a negative connotation on this server but I didn't mean it as such. The intention was to debunk the false statement that Fafnir is easier here when that's not the case. The last thing we need is more misinformation floating around to new players.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:01 am 
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Rulkar wrote:
OWNMs are a poor solution because you can basically kill it once a day. My friends and I have a thousand or more combined seals from when we started that we could pour into doing a BCNM40 20 to 25 times in a single day. You can not replace an event that you can do an infinite number of times that has a drop rate tuned for it being done that many times, with an NM that you can kill one time a day that is given that same drop rate.

You can call people lazy or whatever but the problem isnt the people, the problem is OWNMs are not a polished system. I respect nasomi for dedicating all his time to the server and all that, but this is a fact - and the server is currently suffering from not having BCNMs active. OWNMs were fine as a side job for other BCNMs but the system is not capable of being a replacement for BCNMs entirely on its own.


Not only is the respawn rate a limitations, you have to compete directly with other groups for that spawn.

BCNM was used to give out these job defining spells because it simply was required, and players could repeat the BCNM, it was instanced without competition from others.

This needs fixing, there's 0 scrolls on the AH. Whoever gets these scrolls can place it on the AH for 1M or even 2M and players will have no choice but to buy it. What else you going to do? Sit around with a group waiting for 12-24hr spawn competing with other people? That isn't even "work", that's just torture.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:08 am 
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cadant wrote:
Rulkar wrote:
OWNMs are a crap solution because you can basically kill it once a day. My friends and I have a thousand or more combined seals from when we started that we could pour into doing a BCNM40 20 to 25 times in a single day. You can not replace an event that you can do an infinite number of times that has a drop rate tuned for it being done that many times, with an NM that you can kill one time a day that is given that same drop rate.

You can call people lazy or whatever but the problem isnt the people, the problem is OWNMs are a garbage system. I respect nasomi for dedicating all his time to the server and all that, but this is a fact - and the server is currently suffering greatly from not having BCNMs active.


This.

I just started playing again a couple weeks ago. Was not even aware that all bcnm fights were down until a couple nights ago. Last time I played at least a handful of them worked. I had been leveling BST to 40 solely for bcnm40 to try and make money to level another job. Seems I'm stuck either leveling something gimped or something I don't want to play now.

Just throwing them on an NPC for 500k is not a solution either. How is someone new supposed to make that much money? BCNM fights were a way for new people to be able to make decent money. Everyone would be forced to spend all their time farming if they had to pay a NPC for the spell. Granted I never farmed much in retail. Maybe there is something decent to farm on Nasomi for people in the mid 30s?

I have no idea what jobs are wanted for OWNMs, but from the chat it's either BLM or you're not getting in a party. I assume there are other combos that will work but no one says anything about it. I was also not aware they were 12 hour repops. The server population is high enough that even if the drop was 100%, 2 drops a day is still not enough.

Yeah, it's not a game breaking problem and I'm still enjoying getting on for a couple hours every now and then, but it is certainly a huge roadblock for myself and many others.


I'm a new player on this server, started from scratch without help since I don't have any friends playing on this server. It is easy to make gil because the player economy is pretty good on Nasomi. Level a thf and farm and you will get your 500K about as quick as doing BCNM and praying for the correct drop, and much faster than 24hr respawn NM camping competing against others. I used to do this in retail back in the old days, camping for Ochiudo's Kote, Moldavite Earrings etc, it took me months due to competing for the spawn with others. I could have made that gil to buy it heaps faster with crafting, farming or fishing.

Having these scrolls from an NPC for 500K also acts as a major gil sink, preventing inflation getting out of control as the server matures.

Either way, this problem needs to be fixed, there's zero scrolls on the AH and prices are climbing with each new entry.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:26 am 
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His argument against putting it on NPCs was something akin to "That would be bad for the balance in the long run," which is a fine argument to make if you have something else in mind that would balance the scale, but OWNMs are not that answer.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:45 am 
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Aselius wrote:
You leveled bst for bcnms, but leveling blm,rdm,rng,cor,thf,smn or nin for ownm is this bad bad thing. I couldn't take my pld to bcnm so i leveled something i could. Ppl do it all the time for bcnms. I wish we could go traditional pt on ownms, but what bcnm can you do that on? I'm sorry if I sound rude, not trying to, just shining a little light. Also there's 4-5 that drop ni alone, not just 1


You're not wrong, it's just that I was leveling a job for a specific event that just so happens to not be available anymore. That would be like leveling BLM solely for OWNMs only to have them get disabled right before you're able to. It's a kick in the dick, and a waste of any gil I used leveling the job to 40. I realize I used a trivial amount, but that's not the real point there... Had it been the latter example, I'm out whatever I had to spend on scrolls if I never wanted to play a mage job outside of that one event.

What was being exploited with the bcnm fights anyways?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:56 am 
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cadant wrote:
What was being exploited with the bcnm fights anyways?


They could be done without using up the orb with some tricks. So people could grind out multiple Kraken Clubs in a short time. Especially because there was no need to trek back to Jeuno.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:51 am 
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cadant wrote:
Aselius wrote:
You leveled bst for bcnms, but leveling blm,rdm,rng,cor,thf,smn or nin for ownm is this bad bad thing. I couldn't take my pld to bcnm so i leveled something i could. Ppl do it all the time for bcnms. I wish we could go traditional pt on ownms, but what bcnm can you do that on? I'm sorry if I sound rude, not trying to, just shining a little light. Also there's 4-5 that drop ni alone, not just 1


You're not wrong, it's just that I was leveling a job for a specific event that just so happens to not be available anymore. That would be like leveling BLM solely for OWNMs only to have them get disabled right before you're able to. It's a kick in the dick, and a waste of any gil I used leveling the job to 40. I realize I used a trivial amount, but that's not the real point there... Had it been the latter example, I'm out whatever I had to spend on scrolls if I never wanted to play a mage job outside of that one event.

What was being exploited with the bcnm fights anyways?

Your anger is misdirected, then. You shouldn't blame Nasomi for taking action, you should be angry at the people who cheated in the first place.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:50 am 
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It is strange how some people "enjoy" the game by cheating. They should just go to other private servers where K. Club drop rate is increased for example and leave us be. Also, if people are exploiting game for gil, maybe making some high end items Ra / Ex would help?
As for OWNM / BCNM issue maybe temporary fix could be making them scrolls Ra / Ex too? I understand that this will take an option of getting gil from some players that are farming OWNMs at the moment (on their casters), but that would lift a problem from players who just can't their hands on these.
I am just thinking loud and throwing what comes to my head, so don't take this too serious :)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:33 am 
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Gweivyth wrote:
Your anger is misdirected, then. You shouldn't blame Nasomi for taking action, you should be angry at the people who cheated in the first place.

Preach

rka666 wrote:
It is strange how some people "enjoy" the game by cheating. They should just go to other private servers where K. Club drop rate is increased for example and leave us be. Also, if people are exploiting game for gil, maybe making some high end items Ra / Ex would help?
As for OWNM / BCNM issue maybe temporary fix could be making them scrolls Ra / Ex too? I understand that this will take an option of getting gil from some players that are farming OWNMs at the moment (on their casters), but that would lift a problem from players who just can't their hands on these.
I am just thinking loud and throwing what comes to my head, so don't take this too serious :)

this i find very interesting. my fear with putting the items on an npc is that someone could stock up and save em. (granted, it would be a very risky investment). if there was a way to make the npc sold ones untradeable, that would make me feel better

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