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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:56 pm 
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So, this is very disheartening information regarding the Thief. In the first place, my goal was to be a Corsair. I researched all the information I could about being a Corsair and all I heard was to make sure you choose a Ranger or whatever. There was absolutely NO information on what main starting class you should choose. When I started the game and had only a few selections, I picked the one that I thought would lead up best to a Ranger. I really do not want to have to start all over again at level 9. I want to play this game but it's not the only game I play. It's just very disheartening to hear that I chose the worst class and a class that nobody wants but there was literally no information out there on a starting class for Corsair...at least the main information sites that were listed on Google.

So, how can I salvage this? Give my thief a H2H weapon? Switch to Monk immediately? (shrug)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:03 pm 
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Chameleon wrote:
This game is very different from modern MMOs in that talking to NPCs doing missions/quests are generally for story telling purposes and fun/rewards, compared to stuff like WoW where they shower you with XP.

You can only get XP from fighting monsters, don't feel bad about how long it takes as it's not a race and there's a lot of deep knowledge you'll be missing out on as a newbie. If you want to play Thief I'd highly recommend scrounging what money you can and buying a Hand-to-hand weapon or even a sword, as mentioned Thief starts with a dagger which are terrible weapons until later on.

You can play Thief until level 18 then start a quest to unlock your sub job (Allows you to add on another character class at half your level) then you'll want to change job to something like Monk or Warrior and level that up for a bit, then change back. What you'll find in this game is you'll 100% be playing different classes every now and then so don't worry about being committed to any kind of class path or anything, there's no such thing as rerolling or anything.



Ok, thank you Chameleon.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:17 pm 
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TuKuuL wrote:
I've been playing maybe 2-3 hours at a time over the last 3 or 4 days running all over Bastok and killing bees, bats, and worms only to recently make Level 7. It seems so slow that I feel like I'm doing something wrong. Anyone have some tips or help for a Level 7 Thief? My goal is to get to Ranger and then eventually to Corsair in the long run.

I admit that a lot of that time was talking to NPCs and trying to get my bearings in town and taking on like 2 Missions before heading out and grinding on mobs.


The first week or two are rough.

Hopefully you're dualboxing to make it MUCH easier on yourself.. If not, look into it.

It's still much easier than it was in retail

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:40 pm 
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TuKuuL wrote:
So, this is very disheartening information regarding the Thief. In the first place, my goal was to be a Corsair. I researched all the information I could about being a Corsair and all I heard was to make sure you choose a Ranger or whatever. There was absolutely NO information on what main starting class you should choose. When I started the game and had only a few selections, I picked the one that I thought would lead up best to a Ranger. I really do not want to have to start all over again at level 9. I want to play this game but it's not the only game I play. It's just very disheartening to hear that I chose the worst class and a class that nobody wants but there was literally no information out there on a starting class for Corsair...at least the main information sites that were listed on Google.

So, how can I salvage this? Give my thief a H2H weapon? Switch to Monk immediately? (shrug)


So, COR on this server is not a class you can make your first 75 - the Limit Break quest to let you level past 70 is not implemented here.

The good news is, despite you already being level 9, you're not in a position where you've sunk a lot of time into things. Most of the time you've spent so far has been learning about the game, which is transferrable knowledge. If you were to delete your character and recreate it as a monk, right this moment, you would be able to get back to level 9 on that monk in an hour, or at worst two.

I would not recommend THF in general as your first class. They are very important in some ways, but it will be very frustrating for you as a new player to try and level one.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:48 pm 
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TuKuuL wrote:
So, this is very disheartening information regarding the Thief. In the first place, my goal was to be a Corsair. I researched all the information I could about being a Corsair and all I heard was to make sure you choose a Ranger or whatever. There was absolutely NO information on what main starting class you should choose. When I started the game and had only a few selections, I picked the one that I thought would lead up best to a Ranger. I really do not want to have to start all over again at level 9. I want to play this game but it's not the only game I play. It's just very disheartening to hear that I chose the worst class and a class that nobody wants but there was literally no information out there on a starting class for Corsair...at least the main information sites that were listed on Google.

So, how can I salvage this? Give my thief a H2H weapon? Switch to Monk immediately? (shrug)


Considering the fact that you unlock RNG and COR at the same level, I'd recommend only picking one.

It sounds like you want to main COR and sub RNG. This is your best DD scenario, however COR is not often a DD. COR is better suited as sub NIN until late 50s where you unlock some more DD abilities (strong weaponskill at 56, job ability sub RNG at 60).

Before 24, you'll most likely sub WAR as nothing else really helps, maybe NIN at 20+ for dual wield or RNG for the ranged accuracy trait. Of course you don't get good bullets til 22, so whatever floats your (pirate) boat til then. 24 is when you'll get shadows to make pulling, something a main COR often has to do, safer. At 28 you get some nice stat sticks (Archer's Knife(s)) to make landing your shots easier, and /nin for DW is even more valuable. Subbing RNG at this point trades the second dagger for the r. acc. trait. Though at 30, jobs that sub RNG get the +5 marksmanship skill belt (and a +2 eva shield that's alright). If you're not pulling, that sounds a bit more appetizing, as that's 5 r. attack and 5 r. acc for one slot. At 51 you might drop the knives for a fire staff for some extra r. atk. Since you're not using DW, /nin just gives you shadows and you'll get more out of /rng (trait). 55 is when you could use the belt to get the strong weaponskill a level early.

60 is where /rng starts to shine, and lets you do some (okay) damage. You'll get a second r. acc. trait for +12 (total now +22), you'll get barrage (multi-shot job ability). I had a bard in the party to pull while I did some DD'ing + buffs, was fun times. But both the party before and the party after had me pull. /nin all the way, otherwise we'd slow down too much. Never mind the fact that I didn't have time to buff as well as I wanted, let alone stop to DD more than once or twice a pull.

I'm only 64, so I'll keep ya posted on any other tidbits I discover or have read about for after that.

COR and RNG are both expensive jobs, RNG with more expensive weapons while COR has more expensive bullets. COR shoots less, so RNG becomes even more expensive with the extra ammo spent.

TLDR:

Ignore RNG, pick one of the other two manaless (aka not thief or a ___ mage) jobs to get to 18, sub it to the one you don't pick, get that to 30. Unlock NIN, solo that to 12. Get COR and you'll never have to touch anything else again (probably).


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:18 pm 
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Two Pence wrote:
Ignore RNG, pick one of the other two manaless (aka not thief or a ___ mage) jobs to get to 18, sub it to the one you don't pick, get that to 30. Unlock NIN, solo that to 12. Get COR and you'll never have to touch anything else again (probably).

Except no LB5 for COR on Nasomi at the moment, unless this was changed and not announced.

With ToAU getting implemented, I imagine it's on the table for being added... But without knowing the timeline, there is the risk you will be capped at 70. With the mobs not being 99 anymore, getting testimonies will be doable, but the BCNM still has to be implemented.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:44 pm 
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TuKuuL wrote:
So, this is very disheartening information regarding the Thief. In the first place, my goal was to be a Corsair. I researched all the information I could about being a Corsair and all I heard was to make sure you choose a Ranger or whatever. There was absolutely NO information on what main starting class you should choose. When I started the game and had only a few selections, I picked the one that I thought would lead up best to a Ranger. I really do not want to have to start all over again at level 9. I want to play this game but it's not the only game I play. It's just very disheartening to hear that I chose the worst class and a class that nobody wants but there was literally no information out there on a starting class for Corsair...at least the main information sites that were listed on Google.

So, how can I salvage this? Give my thief a H2H weapon? Switch to Monk immediately? (shrug)


Hop on MNK, level it up, get it to the Dunes at 12~, take it to 18 and do your subjob quest. Personally, I think hopped on WAR, took it to 30, unlocked NIN, took NIN to 18 then finished WAR to 37. THEN I took NIN to 37 so it was subjob ready. I am one of those folks who did take THF to 75 1st. IT was grueling, it was painful, it was at times disheartening. But perseverance, persistence and patience are key in this game!

P.S. The grind is never ending. Strap in and enjoy your ride!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:15 pm 
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I switched from Thief to Monk so we'll see how that goes. I appreciate all the guidance.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:13 pm 
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I get what you guys are saying but I really don't see how thf would have trouble finding a party at lvl 15+ with a sub.
I don't have trouble getting any since with decent gear you can put in terrific damage. Sneak attack is
where its at. Of course once you have TA its even better, but hey I guess depends on gear and basic player skill.


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I can't stand the initial starting grind on a new job, when using high delay weapons. Especially Monk using Hand-to-Hand weapons... when you are speed killing mobs with no rest (let's say in Gusta atop Vomp Hill, doing complete circles of destruction), waiting for the endless msgs to stop from engaging another enemy too soon, it just kills the flow.

I have a couple issues with parts of the advice given to the OP, even though it's very well meaning advice, your hearts are in the right place. But telling someone they shouldn't play THF, when he is talking about deleting his char completely and having 'wasted time', is not really explaining it very clearly. Almost every player on Nasomi has THF lvl'd to either 15 or 37, and many have it at 75. Someone should have mentioned that it's not a waste to invest in ANY of the jobs, they all potentially can add value to things you can accomplish in game, and unlike other MMOs you can lvl each and every one of them to 75.

Think about how cruddy that would feel, if after he talked about deleting his char, and then got advice to lvl Monk... weeks go by and he's learning much more about ffxi, and discovers he will want THF at 15 minimum for TH1, and he actually lost progress on his char by deleting the one he had already invested lvls into THF with.

Also the advice about not targeting specific mobs. You are absolutely correct about just chaining EPs and not trying to take EM or Tough, but should he be focusing EPs like Walking Saplings Lizards and Rarabs, or is it wiser to focus Bees Crawlers Birds etc.

You all are very helpful, but it was a bit of an overload for a clearly brand-new-to-ffxi player. I would have simply asked him which Nation he chose to start in, and told him simple basics like ditch the Onion Dagger and use Sword, always get Signet, shoot for 12 stacks of all drops and sell at AH, and perhaps some specific advice depending on his city like: Bastok start on Bees and Worms, when it all goes Too Weak jump up Vomp or Zegham Hill and mow Bees Worms eventually Gobs then if your lvl gets high enough maybe even Sheep. Windy start Bees and Mandies near town, eventually move up to the Tower where Sopipi spawns, and non-stop mow Birds Crawlers Gobs even Rarabs if you are killing too fast. San'D has tips and tricks as well, altho I admit I am Bastok for life so slightly unfamiliar with that city's zones, I think it's like Bat and Rabbits to obtain quest items that sell well to AH, maybe Funguars for Dark Crystals.

I just started Nasomi mere weeks ago, and had zero problems starting lvls on THF, equipped only with the knowledge of using a Sword and knowing both which mobs are easy to chain kill and ALSO make you money (think Beehive Chips and Silk Thread). I hope the OP will still come back and read this thread, feel free to scream in-game anytime on my char Knarl if I can help you with lower lvl things.

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