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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:44 pm 
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KainDeschain wrote:
But obviously it offers an advantage or you wouldn't do it?



You should see what kind of crap we can pull with an XP party with an alt.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:25 pm 
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KainDeschain wrote:
If dual boxing truly offers no advantage in NM camping then why do people do it. Seems the people defending it know it's an advantage they're just salty about losing it


The original poster argued that it offers an advantage at claiming NMs. This is a separate from arguing it offers no advantage.

It can help kill things, it can give you TH if you main doesn't have it, it can let you mule items, etc. It doesn't help you claim things.

I do not dual box. I do not have an alt. I doubt I will ever have the time to level one. I've not camped NMs anywhere near as extensively as plenty of others, as I've only been here for half a year, and half of that time I wasn't playing due to work. But I do have over 100 claims on NMs, and over a 90% claim rate while camping. And I've seen plenty of people attempt to dual box for claim advantages, and it's universally been people I have zero issue beating.

I'm somewhat confused by a handful of people brand new to the server suddenly petitioning to have the rules changed. If Nasomi does not seem to fit the vision of how you want to play the game, perhaps you should find somewhere that does? Let's say that dualboxing gave you a 100% claimrate on everything you ever wanted, but the rules allowed it because it fit the vision of the person running the server and the community that had come to surround it - why would someone who has just shown up expect that their voice should be listened to over everyone else? This same argument could be made about inventory management, or power leveling, or whatever, where being able to dual box and mule does make a major difference, but... who cares? It's not your server.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:33 pm 
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For timed spawn NMs, either you have the ToD and others don't and you're Gucci regardless, or there's competition and there's no way you have the time to screw around with swapping windows - either it spawns on what you've got focus on and you have a chance to claim, or you don't. Dual boxing isn't helping there.

For PH NMs, there's One Weird Trick Other Campers Hate that people camping shit on Nasomi have either figured out themselves or learned from someone who has, and you're not going to have time when making use of it to screw around with other windows either. It's not really a huge secret, and people have talked about it while streaming their NM camping, but y'all have shown so little effort towards camping NMs that you think the solution is to just complain about dual boxers, so I'm loathe to just give it to you straight, but maybe if I mention it's existence you'll put forth the time and energy to actually better your own ability to camp.

If you did that might drive up my competition, but for some reason I doubt you two will.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:48 pm 
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I think if we're going to talk so much about NMs.... we shouldn't be talking about dualboxing....the real problem is spawn timer manipulation and claim denial via intentional server crashing.. that's much more of an issue in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:03 pm 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
KainDeschain wrote:
But obviously it offers an advantage or you wouldn't do it?



You should see what kind of crap we can pull with an XP party with an alt.

wooooooooooooooooooooooweee


One of the fastest XP parties I have had on this server, every player in the party brought their alt. We had a full party of 30 something damage dealers, with a full party of level 75 red an white mages keeping them healed. Bibiki Bay was not prepared for the destruction we wrought.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:13 pm 
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mello wrote:
I think if we're going to talk so much about NMs.... we shouldn't be talking about dualboxing....the real problem is spawn timer manipulation and claim denial via intentional server crashing.. that's much more of an issue in my opinion.

Yes. So much more of an issue that it's actually a real and very big issue, as opposed to dual boxing which isn't an issue at all :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:58 pm 
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Aewyn wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
KainDeschain wrote:
But obviously it offers an advantage or you wouldn't do it?



You should see what kind of crap we can pull with an XP party with an alt.

wooooooooooooooooooooooweee


One of the fastest XP parties I have had on this server, every player in the party brought their alt. We had a full party of 30 something damage dealers, with a full party of level 75 red an white mages keeping them healed. Bibiki Bay was not prepared for the destruction we wrought.



Boyahda is especially lit for this. there's so much shit to kill if you just camp in the middle of the water.

any rate, op git gud

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:17 pm 
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Cilarnen wrote:
I think dual boxing takes away from the game.
I also know it will never change.


Pretty much how I feel.

However, I also think that dual-boxing bears a cost in time and gil that I never had to pay. I do not get the advantages it brings, but I've sunk all that time and gil in my only character instead. It just feels like there's always something better to do on my existing character, BCNMs, OWNMs, leveling a useful subjob, etc, but that's just me, other people have their own fun.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:27 pm 
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I agree with OP on this topic. The rules clearly state you can't control two characters at once but ever since I've started playing I've seen people dual box to PL, HELM and farm. When you've got an alt in Zeruhn Mines just hitting mining points when up while you're accomplishing real content on your main it's not fair for other people that don't have access to dual box so they're investing their real time. Like OP I think dual box farming is absolute bullshit because once again you're not really investing your time because you're accomplishing real content on your main. I'm also not a fan of dual box PL because there isn't someone on the other side of the PL investing their real time to give their friend(s) and exp boost. Just reading a couple responses on the first few pages I understand people enjoy playing on two characters at the same time and doing the boring shit on their alt while their main does real/fun content but I think it's bullshit and I'm glad someone's finally spoken up. The rules need to be enforced and if the rules say no dual boxing it's time for people to cut it out.


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