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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:39 am 
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Kazen wrote:
Kubisnaxx wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:

Thats less than half what you could get for a KC, so it's kind of a troll offer.



who's ever bought a KC for 60mil on this server


I think the Bonanza winner sold for somewhere in that range. I sold one for 40M(gil) about a year ago, I know Chess has let one go for around 45M(gil+items) a few months back. With the multiple avenues to obtain one I can see this offer being taken or at least talked about.

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^^ kazen clearly giving his (not useful) thumbs up that one relic currency for KC is reasonable @ sappa


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Kazen wrote:

Everything comes back to TS. The people who posted in that thread were his friends, people who have sold clubs and trolls. How is us posting on that post but not this one hypocritical? What the fuck is wrong with these forums?


Wait, are you in favor of my offer?


I think it's a little on the low side but the price to buy all those 100s is around 35M. I've seen more than one club moved for just over that.


^^ Kazen clearly not giving his (again, not useful) thumbs up for one relic currency to KC @ camper

You topshelf boys are so self-deluded. You guys are going to make fine adults some day after you leave your fantasy world.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:43 am 
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beetee867 wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Kubisnaxx wrote:


who's ever bought a KC for 60mil on this server


I think the Bonanza winner sold for somewhere in that range. I sold one for 40M(gil) about a year ago, I know Chess has let one go for around 45M(gil+items) a few months back. With the multiple avenues to obtain one I can see this offer being taken or at least talked about.

GL Sapajesus


^^ kazen clearly giving his (not useful) thumbs up that one relic currency for KC is reasonable @ sappa


Kazen wrote:
Camper wrote:

Wait, are you in favor of my offer?


I think it's a little on the low side but the price to buy all those 100s is around 35M. I've seen more than one club moved for just over that.


^^ Kazen clearly not giving his (again, not useful) thumbs up for one relic currency to KC @ camper

You topshelf boys are so self-deluded. You guys are going to make fine adults some day after you leave your fantasy world.


Wait, I said the exact same things, just worded differently. I said both were on the low side but fair offers. Are YOU this deluded?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:12 am 
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beetee867 wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Kubisnaxx wrote:


who's ever bought a KC for 60mil on this server


I think the Bonanza winner sold for somewhere in that range. I sold one for 40M(gil) about a year ago, I know Chess has let one go for around 45M(gil+items) a few months back. With the multiple avenues to obtain one I can see this offer being taken or at least talked about.

GL Sapajesus


^^ kazen clearly giving his (not useful) thumbs up that one relic currency for KC is reasonable @ sappa


Kazen wrote:
Camper wrote:

Wait, are you in favor of my offer?


I think it's a little on the low side but the price to buy all those 100s is around 35M. I've seen more than one club moved for just over that.


^^ Kazen clearly not giving his (again, not useful) thumbs up for one relic currency to KC @ camper

You topshelf boys are so self-deluded. You guys are going to make fine adults some day after you leave your fantasy world.


He didn't even come on here trolling. He was literally asked his opinion by the starter of the thread. And his opinion in both things you quoted are both pretty much identical, and also non confrontational. Maybe remove the stick from your ass.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:23 am 
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Yeah they're worded slightly different but both are stating that neither are particularly GREAT deals, but he can see someone settling for them. I honestly think you're fishing at this point beedee.

Conversely, I dont think mentioning what you sold an item for over a year ago is a good gauge for what something is worth now. I don't think I need to tell people how the much the economy has changed in a year.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:00 am 
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I think the latest KC sale shows how much you'll have to adjust to snag yourself a KC, Camper :)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:28 am 
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lockecole777 wrote:
Yeah they're worded slightly different but both are stating that neither are particularly GREAT deals, but he can see someone settling for them. I honestly think you're fishing at this point beedee.

Conversely, I dont think mentioning what you sold an item for over a year ago is a good gauge for what something is worth now. I don't think I need to tell people how the much the economy has changed in a year.


You right, it's why I stayed out of this thread until page 5. I haven't sold a Kraken and only know of 1 that was bought in the past 3 months.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:37 am 
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Camper wrote:
Groooovy wrote:
To get back to the point, anyone know when all these duped K. Clubs, Speed Belts, Sonic Belts, Genie Weskits, Dusk +1 hands are going to be removed?


If they were bought with hard gils and/or items of equivalent worth, I'm not sure why they would be taken away? + would they take away the money made from the Puppet's sale?

Only asking as a fellow IRC hell survivor you know.


This is the same argument for not removing tradable ZNM items.


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 Post subject: Re: WTB Kraken Club
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:49 am 
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Wolffhardt wrote:
You think people that could make an offer of 30M+ gil could never be in a position of finding 3 BLM and a RDM level 60+ to kill a mob in TC every 12 hours? There are people right now that are part of groups trying to sell a KC that are only part of that group because they literally typed "/" in an LS chat, and then showed up 15 minutes later for a 7 minute fight, right?

Like I said, for a cursed cap -1.. It depends if your offer involves the crafting literally losing gil? Like there is an established floor for crafted items, because gil was spent to create them. No one is in crafting to lose gil. Having the only item for sale of a rare item, and not needing any gil, makes it a tough case to take less than you've decided it's worth. A KC? At least one member of the group that is part of a KC sale has went to like one kill in months.. and it dropped. How much gil would he like for his 15 minutes of time, and incredible luck?


So, uh, I kinda get where you're going with this, and while I wouldn't take Camper's offer if I had a personal KC to sell, I don't think it's an unreasonably bad one. I could see people taking a hit to move it quickly if they valued a relic over having a KC... But, your arguments in here about crafting having a minimum cost and KC not don't really make any sense. Crafting materials don't have any more of a fixed cost than a KC does - those behemoth hides still come from a drop, that required people get the claim, put in the time, etc. Or the beehive chips. Or whatever. (Almost) everything in this game comes down to drops and what they're priced at, so you can't really act like KC is different from crafting materials there.

Sure, some people have done dozens or hundreds of TC's and not seen a KC drop. And sure, someone can show up one time and see it. Personally, if I was in charge, I'd probably keep track of everyone who went to a TC, and split up the sales based on share of attendance since the last drop. But that's not how things work, and it's also not really relevant. The system works how it works, and everyone knows that going in. Some guy getting lucky because there was none of the regular TC campers around really has no impact on what the price is.

tldr: I don't think your argument really makes any sense, Camper's offer isn't one I would take but also isn't one that I think is at all insulting. If someone had one listed at 65 and he was arguing about how it should be 35, sure, fuck it. But a general 'hey if anyone wants to let one of these go in a quick sale for a complete set of relic currency, lmk' is a lot different.

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 Post subject: Re: WTB Kraken Club
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:17 pm 
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Aeroo wrote:
I'll give you mine for 200 behemoth hides.

Damn, that's way more than 50k! <3


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 Post subject: Re: WTB Kraken Club
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:24 pm 
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cthalupa wrote:
Wolffhardt wrote:
You think people that could make an offer of 30M+ gil could never be in a position of finding 3 BLM and a RDM level 60+ to kill a mob in TC every 12 hours? There are people right now that are part of groups trying to sell a KC that are only part of that group because they literally typed "/" in an LS chat, and then showed up 15 minutes later for a 7 minute fight, right?

Like I said, for a cursed cap -1.. It depends if your offer involves the crafting literally losing gil? Like there is an established floor for crafted items, because gil was spent to create them. No one is in crafting to lose gil. Having the only item for sale of a rare item, and not needing any gil, makes it a tough case to take less than you've decided it's worth. A KC? At least one member of the group that is part of a KC sale has went to like one kill in months.. and it dropped. How much gil would he like for his 15 minutes of time, and incredible luck?


So, uh, I kinda get where you're going with this, and while I wouldn't take Camper's offer if I had a personal KC to sell, I don't think it's an unreasonably bad one. I could see people taking a hit to move it quickly if they valued a relic over having a KC... But, your arguments in here about crafting having a minimum cost and KC not don't really make any sense. Crafting materials don't have any more of a fixed cost than a KC does - those behemoth hides still come from a drop, that required people get the claim, put in the time, etc. Or the beehive chips. Or whatever. (Almost) everything in this game comes down to drops and what they're priced at, so you can't really act like KC is different from crafting materials there.

Sure, some people have done dozens or hundreds of TC's and not seen a KC drop. And sure, someone can show up one time and see it. Personally, if I was in charge, I'd probably keep track of everyone who went to a TC, and split up the sales based on share of attendance since the last drop. But that's not how things work, and it's also not really relevant. The system works how it works, and everyone knows that going in. Some guy getting lucky because there was none of the regular TC campers around really has no impact on what the price is.

tldr: I don't think your argument really makes any sense, Camper's offer isn't one I would take but also isn't one that I think is at all insulting. If someone had one listed at 65 and he was arguing about how it should be 35, sure, fuck it. But a general 'hey if anyone wants to let one of these go in a quick sale for a complete set of relic currency, lmk' is a lot different.


That's all nice. I basically think most of this is wrong, but I also stopped caring at some point last night.

If I buy 20 behemoth hides to make dusk gloves +1, I've spent 10 mil to do it. There's no equation to figure that out for a KC.

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