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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:20 am 
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mello wrote:
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The answer is yes. Merits will help.



hey lookie there.

Thanks.


The problem is that, the best time to use Axe, is also the best time to use Polearm. You just got dualwield II and Rampage, but you also just got Penta thrust and are fighting bats, then colibri, then flies/crawlers. All of which(Except crawlers) take 25% more damage from piercing.

Honestly, it doesn't make much difference if you're just leveling up. If you're having fun dual axing then your perception of time will go by faster, and you'll probably stick around for more hours, ultimately getting you more levels anyway.


Yeah I wouldnt argue that its better, especially since Couse +1 is such a badass polearm for WAR, and with level sync, you can use it from 60-75. I will say tho that Great Axe (with merits) was a DPS increase over polearm after Colossal Axe +1, even against flys. Granted I dont have polearm merits.


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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:39 am 
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lockecole777 wrote:

Yeah I wouldnt argue that its better, especially since Couse +1 is such a badass polearm for WAR, and with level sync, you can use it from 60-75. I will say tho that Great Axe (with merits) was a DPS increase over polearm after Colossal Axe +1, even against flys. Granted I dont have polearm merits.


I feel like people underestimate the difference a skill gap can make. Unmerited Polearm on Samurai kinda made me sad in KRT, cause the Warriors that had it merited were absolutely crushing it and my WS were just kinda embarrassing by comparison lol. But of course the nature of Samurai (and piss poor GKT options in that range with no Kouryukagemitsu available) means my GKT WS wouldn't have been any better. But accuracy and damage per hit would've been.

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I, admittedly, forgot about polearm. That's fine too. I just find GAXE boring.


I have to ask, why is Polearm less boring than Great axe?

That aside...I leveled one war to 40 (my main) with dual axes, the other (ALT) with a great axe. Shield/Armor Break are pretty hard to argue with, it was kinda like having my own personal bard. And if we had a bard too? Lord have mercy upon whatever the puller brought in...but that's not to say 2x axes were bad by any stretch of the imagination. Especially if you could merit axes ahead of time. It's perfectly viable, and how I'm going to level my main's Warrior if I ever get around to it. Not high on the to-do list though, with 3 jobs @ 75 there's enough on my plate, time to slow down and work the merit grind between HNM camps I guess.

I got to watch someone using the Juggernaut/Ridill combination. He was pretty much the tank full stop. It bumped Ridill much higher on my wantlist. Even if I am a pleb DRK that can only use Maneater/Ridill. Soon...

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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:28 pm 
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Aewyn wrote:
lockecole777 wrote:

Yeah I wouldnt argue that its better, especially since Couse +1 is such a badass polearm for WAR, and with level sync, you can use it from 60-75. I will say tho that Great Axe (with merits) was a DPS increase over polearm after Colossal Axe +1, even against flys. Granted I dont have polearm merits.


I feel like people underestimate the difference a skill gap can make. Unmerited Polearm on Samurai kinda made me sad in KRT, cause the Warriors that had it merited were absolutely crushing it and my WS were just kinda embarrassing by comparison lol. But of course the nature of Samurai (and piss poor GKT options in that range with no Kouryukagemitsu available) means my GKT WS wouldn't have been any better. But accuracy and damage per hit would've been.

Wolffhardt wrote:

I, admittedly, forgot about polearm. That's fine too. I just find GAXE boring.


I have to ask, why is Polearm less boring than Great axe?

That aside...I leveled one war to 40 (my main) with dual axes, the other (ALT) with a great axe. Shield/Armor Break are pretty hard to argue with, it was kinda like having my own personal bard. And if we had a bard too? Lord have mercy upon whatever the puller brought in...but that's not to say 2x axes were bad by any stretch of the imagination. Especially if you could merit axes ahead of time. It's perfectly viable, and how I'm going to level my main's Warrior if I ever get around to it. Not high on the to-do list though, with 3 jobs @ 75 there's enough on my plate, time to slow down and work the merit grind between HNM camps I guess.

I got to watch someone using the Juggernaut/Ridill combination. He was pretty much the tank full stop. It bumped Ridill much higher on my wantlist. Even if I am a pleb DRK that can only use Maneater/Ridill. Soon...



Personal preference, that's all.

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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:46 pm 
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im a war...im a drk /slap /slap war win
war: more fun zerk/agg win /nin
drk: boring, too slow every5mins soul/last Guill.. do you have a pl?


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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:12 am 
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karem wrote:
im a war...im a drk /slap /slap war win
war: more fun zerk/agg win /nin
drk: boring, too slow every5mins soul/last Guill.. do you have a pl?


We must not be playing the same game, you should stick to whining about bst.


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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:08 am 
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Naimah wrote:
karem wrote:
im a war...im a drk /slap /slap war win
war: more fun zerk/agg win /nin
drk: boring, too slow every5mins soul/last Guill.. do you have a pl?


We must not be playing the same game, you should stick to whining about bst.


stick to the topic plz


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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:38 pm 
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karem wrote:
im a war...im a drk /slap /slap war win
war: more fun zerk/agg win /nin
drk: boring, too slow every5mins soul/last Guill.. do you have a pl?

You got that good war tho, if it was the standard high end of basic war, it'd be relatively equal to the high end if basic drk =P

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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:57 pm 
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karem wrote:
im a war...im a drk /slap /slap war win
war: more fun zerk/agg win /nin
drk: boring, too slow every5mins soul/last Guill.. do you have a pl?


DRK/SAM beats WAR/SAM, in both utility and damage, with actually more defensive capabilities also. (Stun TP moves with weapon bash, stun to get third eye up, drain, dread spikes etc.)

DRK/NIN might actually even beat WAR/NIN from an offensive standpoint. Scythes only have like 20 more delay than most great axes so the "boring and too slow" argument makes no sense. If anything WAR is boring because they have next to no JAs (zerk/aggr every 4-5mins) and not a lot of reactive job abilities or spells. To reiterate an earlier comment.

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We must not be playing the same game, you should stick to whining about bst.


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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:46 pm 
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Idk if you've seen karems war

Aside from that observation, I would agree drk/sam beats the standard war/sam and even standard war/nin in just about every situation.

On par though, the war that karem built is significantly higher than standard.

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 Post subject: Re: War vs Drk
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:02 pm 
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end game drk > war
but exp pt a well geared war is more favor to me than a drk
only time i like a drk in a exp pt is when they can stun and weapon bash like a god


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