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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:18 pm 
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Docomo wrote:
Been seeking for over a week on my thief at 60+, didn't really feel like levelling other job, really only got SIX(6) party invites in a WEEK? Really? I'm rank 2(I don't plan to go any higher until i'm 75 and ready to start sky). So does rank matter this much to NA player that you're so blinded by that you don't want to invite someone whos rank 2? Rank does not determined the players skill or his wealth. I probably out gear 95% of the newer player in the 60 range, heck i'll even say I am better gear than most fresh 75. What's the point of me having like 6mil in thief gear If i can't even get a party invite?

I'm not complaining about the fact of no party, cause I've fish like 2mil since seeking. I'm complaining about the fact that people base you on your in game rank to determind your wealth or skill which is utterly fucking stupid.

This was NEVER the case even with JP players on retail lol, being rank 2 didn't stop you from getting groups. There was always invite no matter what job you played and retail server was way more crowded than here.


I would absolutely invite a rank 2 60+ last, if at all, and the reason is the mindset in the statement I bolded above. Even on retail I would sort the list of seeking 60+ DDs first by eliminating underleveled subjobs, followed by eliminating anyone under rank 5. Something to consider is that the one thing that will never be "era" here is the playerbase. The influence of more modern MMOs which treat everything before endgame as a pointless slog (which you can skip with $$$, of course!) has impacted the way a lot of people play.

I always see people say "Oh well rank2 vs rank 5 isn't a big difference," or "nin 14 vs nin 28 isn't a big deal," and they always miss the point. It's not about the stats from your subjob or you ability to ride airships, it's how it reflects on you as a player. If I see someone who is 60+ and rank, I think they most likely fall into one of these categories:
A) Too lazy, they will do it at 75 (players like this often treat their gear the same way)
B) Unable to get groups (Really easy mission here, can be trio'd or even fewer, maybe a bigger issue with the player)
C) Don't really know much about the game (Pass)

When you /sea all 60-70 inv, all you see are their names, races (no elvaan, galkas #1 priority for mining pts only), and their rank. Of course people will say "Well, there are 5 thfs searching, I will pick the one who I think has the best chance of not being bad based on the info I have."


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:21 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
Docomo wrote:
This is the difference between an experience thief and a new one, you know what you can utilise to maximise your damage.


But not what to maximize your PT invites.


NA mentality


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:21 pm 
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I think thfs are probably better damage than people give them credit for. Theyre very good at 75. I think the supply of them has always been very high, so people still have to pick between them. Getting your rank up just kind of happens if you have a large friend group or are in an active linkshell, which at least on retail, that usually was a measure of how much you knew about the game and how accomplished your character potentially was. On here I usually just assume the rank 2 people are the noobs that didnt know this about retail, and therefor have no pride in their rank.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:22 pm 
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Docomo wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Docomo wrote:
This is the difference between an experience thief and a new one, you know what you can utilise to maximise your damage.


But not what to maximize your PT invites.


NA mentality


Gotta be a troll at this point. Good luck with your Rank 2 THF getting invites.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:23 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
Docomo wrote:
Kazen wrote:

But not what to maximize your PT invites.


NA mentality


Gotta be a troll at this point. Good luck with your Rank 2 THF getting invites.


then please give something more constructive than what you've said so far. like the guy above you. Just gonna treat you as you are. a troll.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:25 pm 
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Myupih wrote:
Docomo wrote:
Been seeking for over a week on my thief at 60+, didn't really feel like levelling other job, really only got SIX(6) party invites in a WEEK? Really? I'm rank 2(I don't plan to go any higher until i'm 75 and ready to start sky). So does rank matter this much to NA player that you're so blinded by that you don't want to invite someone whos rank 2? Rank does not determined the players skill or his wealth. I probably out gear 95% of the newer player in the 60 range, heck i'll even say I am better gear than most fresh 75. What's the point of me having like 6mil in thief gear If i can't even get a party invite?

I'm not complaining about the fact of no party, cause I've fish like 2mil since seeking. I'm complaining about the fact that people base you on your in game rank to determind your wealth or skill which is utterly fucking stupid.

This was NEVER the case even with JP players on retail lol, being rank 2 didn't stop you from getting groups. There was always invite no matter what job you played and retail server was way more crowded than here.


I would absolutely invite a rank 2 60+ last, if at all, and the reason is the mindset in the statement I bolded above. Even on retail I would sort the list of seeking 60+ DDs first by eliminating underleveled subjobs, followed by eliminating anyone under rank 5. Something to consider is that the one thing that will never be "era" here is the playerbase. The influence of more modern MMOs which treat everything before endgame as a pointless slog (which you can skip with $$$, of course!) has impacted the way a lot of people play.

I always see people say "Oh well rank2 vs rank 5 isn't a big difference," or "nin 14 vs nin 28 isn't a big deal," and they always miss the point. It's not about the stats from your subjob or you ability to ride airships, it's how it reflects on you as a player. If I see someone who is 60+ and rank, I think they most likely fall into one of these categories:
A) Too lazy, they will do it at 75 (players like this often treat their gear the same way)
B) Unable to get groups (Really easy mission here, can be trio'd or even fewer, maybe a bigger issue with the player)
C) Don't really know much about the game (Pass)

When you /sea all 60-70 inv, all you see are their names, races (no elvaan, galkas #1 priority for mining pts only), and their rank. Of course people will say "Well, there are 5 thfs searching, I will pick the one who I think has the best chance of not being bad based on the info I have."


in the situation you invited a rank 6 with less gear, no SH, gimp rings, crow gear, what do you do? How do you determind his gear prior to inviting purely based on rank?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:27 pm 
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Kazen wrote:
Gotta be a troll at this point. Good luck with your Rank 2 THF getting invites.


I kind of agree :lol: dude would've been hit rank 3 in the time this thread has been up if he just shouted for help in game instead of complaining here.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:28 pm 
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Myupih wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Gotta be a troll at this point. Good luck with your Rank 2 THF getting invites.


I kind of agree :lol: dude would've been hit rank 3 in the time this thread has been up if he just shouted for help in game instead of complaining here.


i can hit rank 3 just fine, I just dont want to do it, why am i wasting time doing mission when I can be making money?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:30 pm 
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Myupih wrote:
Kazen wrote:
Gotta be a troll at this point. Good luck with your Rank 2 THF getting invites.


I kind of agree :lol: dude would've been hit rank 3 in the time this thread has been up if he just shouted for help in game instead of complaining here.


you also bother to read, i said i'm waiting till 75 when I start sky to blast through my mission right? Maybe if you bother to read.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:30 pm 
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At this very moment, there are 7 THF seeking in your level range. Among them, are rank 9, 7, 7, 6, 5, 4, and 2. Unless you are a level sync, it is highly unlikely you are going to get invited at the bottom of the list, as rank 2. That's the bottom line. Are you suggesting that we are supposed to interview all 7 THF candidates before selecting an invitation? Are we supposed to ask for an itemized list of equipment and some references to vouch for your skill level? Haha what a joke, dude. The only statistic we have to go on is your level, race, and rank. You KNOW the issue. It's your rank. So have you considered ranking up instead of fishing or putting us all on blast? Rank 6 ought to do it. Otherwise, just solo THF to 75 60+ like everyone else, or level another job.


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